As requested: Arab violence towards Jews BEFORE Israel?

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BMCR

Sherman D wrote:

"Those 1920 riots were due to invasion of Palestine by zionists. "

Translation into plain English:

"Some Arabs couldn't stand to have the Jews around so they started a pogrom, not very unlike other pogroms Jews have be subjected to by anti semites throughout history."

But you are right. It is connected to what is happening in today's times. And that was what I think the poster's whole point was (if I interpret it correctly).
Some people like to deceive themselves and argue that everything was idyllic until the State of Israel came along and "ruined everything". History shows us that the tensions predated the Jewish state and the same horrible attitudes unfortunately prevail today. How else can we explain YOU, Mr. Sherman?

"Very deceitful but so very typical of zionists."

Translation into plain English: "Those Zionists are always lying and deceitful, sounding exactly the same as one of the standard anti semitic canards."

Lonzdale the rugby maestro

i think there are two many muslim extremeists...

Michael J

Mark and Sherman D, let me get your point straight: since the Jews legally purchased land in a territory, even at higher than market value, the local Arabs had the right to slaughter them. If this is a zionist 'invasion', then I suppose every migration of peoples is an invasion. I guess the Jews, Poles, Indians, Pakistanis, Asians etc. have all invaded America at some point or are currently invading. What an incredibly zenophobic viewpoint. Event accepting what you say, what is your point? Since Jews moved to an area with the intention of one day founding a state, Arabs were justified in killing and maiming innocent civilians? These Zionists did not even have any form of militia at that point to be a threat! Your attempts to pass the blame off to the Zionists are ludicrous.
Either way, the case given is not the only case of Arab/Muslim violence and persecution against Jews. Pogroms happened throughout the Middle Ages in Muslim lands, and the Jewish dhimmi status was simply one of second class citizen to the point of almost no rights whatsoever. Progroms occurred in: Aleppo (1850, 1875), Damascus (1840, 1848, 1890), Beirut (1862, 1874), Dayr al-Qamar (1847), Jerusalem (1847), Cairo (1844, 1890, 1901-02), Mansura (1877), Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901-07), Port Said (1903, 1908), Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891), Istanbul (1870, 1874), Buyukdere (1864), Kuzguncuk (1866), Eyub (1868), Edirne (1872), Izmir (1872, 1874).There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828. There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867. Prior to that Muslim anti-Semitism was more rare than its Christian counterpart, and thus is often disregarded but it did exists. Can Israel really explain all that?

Duke of Tudor

Thank you for sharing, paperback. You should now that there are many self-centered people. These people tend to forget or try to justify their own mistakes, but always remember or even dramatize others' mistakes.

prince_henry

and your question/ point is ??
there is wrong and right on both sides its just a shame there has to be sides

moneymaker

1929 Palestine riots
In the summer of 1929, a long-running dispute between Muslims and Jews over access to the Western Wall in Jerusalem escalated, and erupted into a series of violent demonstrations and riots in late August. During the week of riots, 133 Jews were killed and 339 wounded (mostly by Arabs); 116 Arabs were killed and 232 wounded (mostly by British-commanded police and soldiers).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots

1936â€“1939 Arab revolt in Palestine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine

1947 Jerusalem riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Riots_of_1947

Gareeb

mabrook,

The Jewish community had anticipated the Arab reaction to the Allies' convention, and was ready to meet it. Jewish affairs in Palestine were then being administered from Jerusalem by the Vaad Hatzirim (Council of Delegates), appointed by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) (which became the Jewish Agency in 1929 ). The Vaad Hatzirim charged Ze'ev (Vladimir) Jabotinsky with the task of organizing Jewish self-defense. Jabotinsky was one of the founders of the Jewish battalions, which had served in the British Army during the First World War and had participated in the conquest of Palestine from the Turks. Acting under the auspices of the Vaad Hatzirim, Jabotinsky lead the Haganah (self-defense) organization in Jerusalem, which succeeded in repelling the Arab attack. Six Jews were killed and some 200 injured in Jerusalem in the course of the 1920 riots. Had it not been for the preliminary organization of Jewish defense, the number of victims would have undoubtedly been much greater?

After the riots, the British arrested both Arabs and Jews. Among those arrested was Jabotinsky, together with 19 of his associates, on a charge of illegal possession of weapons. Jabotinsky was sentenced to 15 years imprisonment with hard labor and deportation from the country after completion of his sentence. When the sentence became known, the Vaad Hatzirim made plans for widespread protests, including mass demonstrations and a national fast. Meanwhile, however, the mandate for Palestine had been assigned to Great Britain, and the jubilation of the Yishuv outweighed the desire to protest against the harsh sentence imposed on Jabotinsky and his comrades.

Zionist start this in salf defence
not write number Paleseniens dead.
lady you delate yur link, in all net i can see this one link only, why?

Ali

But now what is happenning, is revenge, is really condemnable.

mark

All history books say the violence was a reaction to the Zionist movement to take the native people homes and give it to Zionists immigrants from other countries.
Your point ignore the Zionist movement role in the violence. Jews lived in peace for years in most of the Middle eastern counties before the Zionist movement.

mo mosh

In late 1928 a new phase of violence began with minor disputes between Jews and Arabs about the right of Jews to pray at the Western Wall (Kotel) in Jerusalem. These arguments led to an outbreak of Arab violence in August 1929 when Haj Amin al-Husseini, Mufti of Jerusalem, fomented Arab hatred by accusing the Jews of endangering the mosques and other sites holy to Islam. Observers heard Husseini issue the call: Itback al-Yahud "Slaughter the Jews!"

On Friday, August 23, Arab mobs attacked Jews in Jerusalem, Motza, Hebron, Safed, Jaffa, and other parts of the country. The Old City of Jerusalem was hit particularly hard. By the next day, the Haganah was able to mount a defense and further attacks in Jerusalem were repulsed. But, the violence in Jerusalem generated rumors throughout the country, many carrying fabricated accounts of Jewish attempts to defile Muslim holy places, all to inflame the Arab residents. Villages were plundered and destroyed by Arab mobs. While attacks on Jews in Tel Aviv and Haifa were thwarted by Jewish defenses, there were Jewish deaths in Hebron, where 67 Jewish men and women were slaughtered and Safed, where 18 Jews were killed, as well as scattered other losses totaling 133 Jewish deaths, with more than 300 wounded.

sondeep0861

how long your question only one point this is never ending story muhammad ordered his followers to spread their religion by the sword born of the soul not of the body

s k

what's your question? Or is this just a chat/rant?

Edit: No one is ignoring it, the USA pays for jews to fight back, pretty unfair to the muslim if you ask me.

Worldluv

Paperback - I was hoping for a link in the last question, not a whole new question on it. As well, you mentioned that there was a time when Arabs and Jews got along in Hebron so why not focus on that??

First, WHY would the Arabs attack? There has to be provocation, which you left out but thankfully other posters gave the answer.

Second, how does that help create peace now? Let's focus on NOW, the illegality of what is happening, the inhumanity of what is happening, and what can be done to make things better rather than harping on negativity!

Michael J - Jews did not purchase territory - they have, and are continuing, to illegally confiscated Arab-owned land!

PAPERBACK - Do not EVER put words in my mouth such as I do not condemn violence on one side. I have repeatedly condemened ALL violence by ALL sides!!!

It is well documented that Israel has ILLEGALLY confiscated much Palestinian-owned land. I'm sure some land has been bought legally, but 121 Jewish-only settlements and 102 'outposts' are built on illegally confiscated land. You talk about your friends, well I have several friends whose land has been taken from them and another whose land is being threatened to be taken in the next couple of months. The illegal actions of land-grab by the Israeli government continues.

subxerorock

Hate is usually based on lack of knowledge. When people say "Oh well, if Israel just left the occupied territories everything will be fine :) " In my opinion they have no idea what they are talking about! While meanwhile, Arab violence occurred before the creation of the state of Israel. Not to mention even when Israel didn't occupy anything outside of the original borders, all of her neighbors attacked mercilessly with the goal of pushing Israel into the sea.
Good post!

Ewiase

when you go back into history, you will always be right to say Hitler was right with what he did, though most of us think otherwise.

you forgot to state what led to the riots.

Sherman D

I caught you out.

You tried to be deceitful but you people never get it. You are not smart enough.

Those 1920 riots were due to invasion of Palestine by zionists. Your link tells the story. Those riots are part of what is happening today but you try to make it out like it is independent and unrelated. Very deceitful but so very typical of zionists.

B Ø¨ØºØ¯Ø§Ø¯

''Five Jews were killed''

wow, almost as many as the PALESTINIANS KILLED in the process of creating Israel. I don't know how you have the nerve to mention this when all we have to do to show how silly this accusation is to say:

DEIR YASSIN.

And anyway, So what? what does this ''prove'' ???

there is racism everywhere... even today this happens to people... ex- in israel/america/russia/iraq etc etc.

and btw this is almost a 100 YEARS AGO.

And Mark, good point !

BTW this article kind of works against you, because it proves that there WAS a palestine and there were Palestinians living there.... and, understandably, they weren't happy when they saw that their country was being taken over.

''Your response also makes it clear that you think 'zionists' can be murdered and that it's OK - so if anything, I've caught you out and exposed your real attitude.''

Well good point BUT, zionists are VERY similar to hamas (they want to create a palestinian state, just like zionists wanted a jewish state), does this mean you also think it's wrong to kill Hamas members? (and btw don't even try to tell me that ''zionists don't kill anyone'', you will just look ignorant)

edit: but of course we all know this is a waste of time because, AS USUAL, you will ignore all the evidence and just stay in your own little dream world. I'm still waiting for that best answer btw ! for that dramatic fake ex terrorist guy, or was that not enough proof for you either?

''Now I know that you are not remotely objective, nor fair. Shame on you.''

You're ABSOLUTELY right, I'm not objective. I don't even try to be (anymore), you know why? because i don't see a SINGLE jew or israel supporter even show the slightest bit of fairness or objectivity here, WHENEVER we say something about innocent people dying you always say ''well it's self defense'', does that sound ''objective'' to you?? when i show you proof that a self proclaimed ex palestinian ''terrorist'' is just a liar, you still reject the proof. So yeah, when you start being objective then i will DEFINITELY do that, but until then... it's only fair that we have two sides that are un objective, not just one. Remember, it's not enough to just talk about being objective, what counts is actually BEING objective... which you're not. If you were, then these figures would trouble you, and they obviously don't (or maybe you just forgot to mention that they do)

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/prisoners.html

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/injuries.html

iambetterthan_you

Muhammad sucks.....

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