Do you think it's fair that any Jew can become a citizen of Israel, yet someone born and raised there can't?

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Duke of Tudor

I believe the oil-rich Arab states, e.g., Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. could have easily provided the refugees with new homes, just as Israel resettled Jewish immigrants and refugees from foreign countries.

Arab governments neither grant refugees citizenship (or at least permanent residence status) nor provide sufficient funds to improve the conditions in refugee camps. Sadly, the Palestinian Arabs are just political pawns, exploited as tools against Israel and promoting anti-Israel sentiment.

tonalc1

The Law of Return was originally written this way to encourage American Jews to move to Israel.

And what information told you that Palestinians cannot get citizenship? Yes, it's not automatically granted, they have to apply for it, but it's not forbidden.

Most Palestinians nave opted to remain permanent residents and enjoy the benefits of living under Israeli sovereignty â€“ full welfare rights, municipal voting rights and unrestricted movement.

Here's an interesting article on the subject:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3468672,00.html

Fujoshi

I do not understand what the problem is...

I'm still trying to get people to explain to me why it is that Jews seem to be the whipping-boy's of History...

Why is it that even the most open minded people end up hateing Jews?

Personally, I care that someone is Jewish about as much as I care if someone is Christian, Athiest, Bhuddist, Gay, Straight, or anything else... If I find out that they are *Whatever* I say "Um... OK..." and go on with my life...

Generational Hatred is the stupidest thing that this species does...

If my Grandparents hated something or someone why the hell should I hate it/them too?

Hate only breeds more hate... We know this about our species...

We all, collectivly, need to pull our heads from out Butts and learn to cope!

diana

Israel is a country of Jewish people. it's not the country of the palestinians.

Gamla Joe

From what I have understood most Palestinians the West Bank and Gaza are calling for their own state.

That certainly seems to be the case of the goverment that supposedly represents them.

Until the Palestinians or the PA start demanding Israeli citizenship it is a mute point, because it is not happening.

paperback writer

Do you think it's logical that, knowing Jews have been kicked out of every country they've tried to call home, and slaughtered in their millions, that when they finally get a tiny place of their own, they WOULDN'T ensure it is immediately open to ANY Jew who may need sanctuary?

If you really feel that would be logical, then you need to do some exercises to improve the functioning of your brain. There are some very good books you can find at Amazon, perhaps you should check them out?

Mr. X

that's not true, anyone born in israel is a citizen, arab or jew, with full civil rights, including freedom of speech, press and assembly.

there are dozens of arabic newspapers, there are arabic tv stations, books, restaurants, and arab members of parliament.

in any case, each country is free to determine its own immigration policy, thank you very much.

riviva

lol what? yes they can. VERY EASILY.

Liora

From 1517-1917 Turkey's Ottoman Empire controlled a vast Arab empire, a portion of which is today Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine. During World War I (1914-1918), Turkey supported Germany. When Germany was defeated, so were the Turks. In 1916 control of the southern portion of their Ottoman Empire was "mandated" to France and Britain under the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divided the Arab region into zones of influence. Lebanon and Syria were assigned (mandated) to France... and "Palestine" (today's Jordan, Israel and "West Bank") was mandated to Great Britain.

Because no other peoples had ever established a national homeland in "Palestine" since the Jews had done it 2,000 years before, the British "looked favourably" upon the creation of a Jewish National Homeland throughout ALL of Palestine. The Jews had already begun mass immigration into Palestine in the 1880's in an effort to rid the land of swamps and malaria and prepare for the rebirth of Israel. This Jewish effort to revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few Arabs there or those Arab masses that immigrated into this area along with the Jews!

In 1923, the British divided the "Palestine" portion of the Ottoman Empire into two administrative districts. Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan River. In effect, the British had "chopped off" 75% of the originally proposed Jewish Palestinian homeland to form an Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan (meaning "across the Jordan River"). This territory east of the Jordan River was given to Emir Abdullah (from Hejaz, now Saudi Arabia) who was not even an Arab-"Palestinian!" This portion of Palestine was renamed Trans-Jordan. Trans-Jordan and would again be renamed "Jordan" in 1946. In other words, the eastern 3/4 of Palestine would be renamed TWICE, in effect, erasing all connection to the name "Palestine!" However, the bottom line is that the Palestinian Arabs had THEIR "Arab Palestinian" homeland. The remaining 25% of Palestine (now WEST of the Jordan River) was to be the Jewish Palestinian homeland.

Encouraged and incited by growing Arab nationalism throughout the Middle East, the Arabs of that small remaining Palestinian territory west of the Jordan River launched never-ending murderous attacks upon the Jewish Palestinians in an effort to drive them out. The British at first tried to maintain order but soon (due to the large oil deposits being discovered throughout the Arab Middle East) turned a blind eye. It became painfully clear to the Palestinian Jews that they must fight the Arabs AND drive out the British.

The Palestinian Jews were forced to form an organized defence against the Arabs Palestinians.... thus was formed the Hagana, the beginnings of the Israeli Defence Forces [IDF]. In 1947 the British had enough and turned the Palestine matter over to the United Nations.
The 1947 U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan was to divide the remaining 25% of Palestine into a Jewish Palestinian State and a SECOND Arab Palestinian State (Trans-Jordan being the first) based upon population concentrations. The Jewish Palestinians accepted... the Arab Palestinians rejected. The Arabs still wanted ALL of Palestine... both east AND west of the Jordan River.

On May 14, 1948 the "Palestinian" Jews finally declared their own State of Israel and became "Israelis." On the next day, seven neighboring Arab armies, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen... invaded Israel. Most of the Arabs living within the boundaries of the newly declared "ISRAEL" were encouraged to leave by the invading Arab armies to facilitate the slaughter of the Jews and were promised to be given all Jewish property after the victorious Arab armies won the war. The truth is that 70% of the Arab Palestinians who left in 1948 â€“ perhaps 300,000 to 400,000 of them â€“ never saw an Israeli soldier! They did not flee because they feared Jewish thugs, but because of a rational and reasonable calculus: the Jews will be exterminated; we will get out of the way while that messy and dangerous business goes forward, and we will return afterwards to reclaim our homes, and to inherit those nice Jewish properties as well. They guessed wrong; and the Arab Palestinians are still tortured by the residual shame of their flight. Their shame is so great because in their eyes running from Jews was like running from women. So much for the blatant lie about Jews throwing out all the [Palestinian] Arabs!

The remaining 30% either (1) saw for themselves that these Jews would fight and die for their new nation and decided to pack up and leave or (2) were driven off the land as a normal consequence of war.

When the 19 month war ended, Israel survived despite a 1% loss of its entire population! Those Arabs who did not flee became today's Israeli-Arab citizens. Those who fled became the seeds of the first wave of "Palestinian Arab refugees."

The Arab propagandists and apologists almost never mentioned that in 1948, Arab armies launched a war against a one-day-old Israel. Instead he focused on the main consequence of that war: the creation of Arab refugees, stating that Israel "short of genocide" expelled 800,000 of them. This not only disagrees with UN estimates of a bit over 400,000 refugees but also ignores the fact that most of the Arabs/Palestinians were encouraged to leave by the Arab World itself!

The end result of the 1948-49 Israeli War of Independence was the creation of a Jewish State slightly larger than that which was proposed by the 1947 United Nations Resolution 181. What remained of that almost-created second Arab Palestinian State was gobbled up by (1) Egypt (occupying the Gaza Strip) and by (2) Trans-Jordan (occupying Judea-Samaria (a.k.a. the "West Bank" of the Jordan River) and Jerusalem. In the next year (1950) Trans-Jordan formally merged this West Bank territory into itself and granted all those "Palestinian" Arabs living there Jordanian citizenship. Since Trans-Jordan was then no longer confined to one side of the Jordan River, it renamed itself simply "Jordan." In the final analysis, the Arabs of Palestine ended up with nearly 85% of the original territory of Palestine... called Jordan but in reality their ARAB "Palestinian state! But that was still not 100% and thus the conflict between Arab and Jew for "Palestine" would continue through four more wars and continuous Arab terrorist attacks upon the Israeli citizenry. It continues to this very day.
From 1949-67 when all of Judea-Samaria [West Bank & Jerusalem] and Gaza ... were 100% under Arab [Jordanian & Egyptian] control, no effort was EVER made to create a second Palestinian State for the Arabs living there.

Surely you do not expect Israel to now provide these same Arabs with their own country when their fellow Arabs failed to do so! And isn't it curious how Arafat and his PLO (formed in 1964) discovered their "ancient" identity and a need for "self-determination" and "human dignity" on this very same West Bank ONLY AFTER Israel regained this territory (three years later in 1967) following Jordan's attempt to destroy Israel! No request was ever made of King Hussein of Jordan by the Arabs living on the West Bank when he occupied it.
Is it logical that the PLO was formed in 1964 to regain the lands they would lose three years later in 1967? This sort of logic makes sense only to those who have not learned that the PLO was formed to DESTROY Israel. And that is STILL their goal!

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it is not fair at ALL.

Alicia H

I think its about as fair as a Jew having equal opportunity in every other country they try to reside in........And don't anyone tell me that we are treated equally because it just isn't true.

jas

Yes-it is fair (I assume you mean Arab when you say palestinian because pals don't want to be citizens of Israel). The barriers to Arab citizenship were made to keep those prone to acts of terror out. Other Arabs freely participate in the political process (so it is not apartheid). Is there racism/ intolerance here, h-ll yes. But it is utterly mutual. So unless you think it is OK to blow up pizza parlors (imagine that next time you stop somewhere for a bite), Arabs must show allegiance to Israel to become a citizen. Is this bizarre to you? By the way some pals have been in lebanon, jordan and egypt for just as long and they are ABSOLUTELY refused any political and/or due process, I wonder if this bothers you as much--I truly doubt it.

worldtraveler

The reason the Palestinians can't get citizenship is due to their own actions. Three times they have said no to statehood.

Unfortunately, the suicide-murderers make it bad on all non-Jew Arabs. Palestinian TV teaches children how to blow themselves up for a better life.

As Golda Meir said, "Peace will come when the Palestinians love their own children more than they hate ours."

The sad fact is that several innocent young Palestinians simply follow in the footsteps of their parents into a never-ending cycle of violence against Israel. I hope one day the Palestinians will wake up and truly desire to make peace. It would be best for all of us.

abdelhamidelsayed

DEAR ,
DO YOU THINK THAT INSIDE ISRAEL ALL THE JEW ARE TREATED EQUALLY.
GO BY YOURSELF AND SEE THAT THERE IS RACISM BETWEEN THE JEW FROM THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE , EASTERN HEMISPHERE AND AFRICA AND SEE HOW THE MAJORITY OF EACH SECTION IS LIVING COMPARED TO THE OTHER TWO.
TO ALL THOSE WHO WRITE BOOKS IN AN ANSWER. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE.
AN ANSWER SHOULD BE SHORT AS POSSIBLE.

SPMOSHER

No, ideally it isn't fair. But it is their country and they ratified their constitution and it's clauses and laws. And there have been some whose goal is to change that... one of the way to ease tensions and promote peace.

They aren't America, clearly, not that our current situation is any to aspire to. But if some had their way, our country would only admit Christians, and they would insist its right because we had some Christian founders... the default answer when pushing theocracy in the US... But I digress.

But yes, to be called a democracy, but have that theocratic based law... that is unfair, and undemocratic.

Emsey Pop

That is actually really unfair, and is sectarianism

rachel f

Hmm, interesting point of view. Completely wrong, but interesting in a bizarre, fantastic sort of way.

There are lots of Arab Israelis, fyi. And, did you know, the UN decided that "Palestinian" refugees did not HAVE to be third generation. Or second generation. They didn't have to live there for a long time. They had to live there for -- get this -- two years. That's right. Two.

So, yeah, I think it's fair.

C.J.

Of course not, thats why its not only illegal to do but a discriminatory act

we need to end the Israeli Apartheid

HopelessZ00

No it doesn't sound fair to me at all. Peace!

ref u

That isn't true. Ethnicity doesn't bar anyone from Israeli citizenship, and approximately 20% of citizens are Arabs; many foreign-born non-Jews have also acquired citizenship.

What is true is that it is exceedingly simple for someone who was defined as a Jew by the Nuremburg Laws to gain citizenship to that country, as one of Israel's chief purposes is to serve as a refuge for world Jewry (Law of Return), as in the cases of ~1,000,000 Jews from Muslim countries, Ethiopian Jews, or ~1,000,000 from the former USSR.

Chrislad

no not rly

Joanne A. W

If the two countries were not at war with each other, there would be no problems. War changes everything in all countries.

david d

It's called Apartheid. Israel is a fundamentally racist state. If the Palestinians were Black the world would be in an uproar over how they are treated.

mark

It is sad story that some good Jewish people want the rest of the world to ignore. But how can the world ignore the native Palestinian people human right issue.

JeffyB

Of course it's unfair. Israel is not big on equality.

Themans

NO. Yes. NO. Yes No. yes. I dunno

NikitySplit

Ya, totally weird and effed up.

lez k

Israel is is evil why would anyone want to to be a citizen of evil? I mean Israel not Jews. you freaks.

Tony BinEye

I am a great admirer of the Jewish people, and consider them a great race of people, but in answer to your question, no, it's grossly unfair. They have a right to protect themselves of course, but not to persecute others. They remember, as they should, the suffering of the Jewish people, but too many have forgotten that they should do everything to avoid becoming the persecutors. But then, that is the way of us humans. Our memories are selfishly selective!

girl

thats fcukin retarted.. just be christian

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