Does Palestine existed before 1948?

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gypsy_cat 345

Of COURSE it did, Hon. Only the Zionists maintain that Palestine never existed.
I'm the owner of a vintage World Atlas, circa 1942, and there it is...exactly where "Israel" lies today. "Palestine", plain as day.
Anybody wanna argue with Rand-McNally?

ONLY in the "Israel" category can one receive thumbs-down for stating facts! But then, the Israelis have ALWAYS been in denial...;)

Edit to "Me": if Israel "made plants grow", in a desert, it's because they stole the Palestinians' water from the Jordan River. That same sort of thing occurs here, in the dry western states, and it's called "f*cking with Mother Nature."
When one attempts to "grow plants" in an area where plants wouldn't normally GROW, it's abnormal, and the result is intense water shortages...in this case, suffered by the Palis, because they Izzies steal the water.

Neil N

Yep, I've seen the map.

Yes to deny it is ridiculous.

Totu

If you ask about it, half of it are already gone
If you argue for it, half of the populace are gone;
If you protest over it, you are already a terrorist to be terminated..

Mandy Roberts

Yes, they existed and they still exist today. Copy of a Palestinian passport for yall.

http://www.immigrationhereandthere.org/imageupload/passport%20croped1.php

Bey$on back home

for sure it existed, I have a political map for it.
very nice document, I will bid on this document on ebay.
thx

Alva

Yep - and native Americans lived in North American before the Europeans came and took their land.

Rodger P.

Yes. It did.
Palestine existed before we decided to give Israel their land.
Israel took land that people already lived on.

Shahzaib Asad

yes it was and inshallah it will exist till Qayamat

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Alhamdullah Palestine still exists today! Allahu Akbar!

The First Dragon

Paper money from the British Mandate of Palestine! 1938! Beautiful. Note that the money is called a "pound," no doubt because the British were ruling Palestine at that time, and established the currency.
The Mandate of Palestine was the land assigned to Britain to govern and get ready for self-rule, after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. The idea from the beginning was to divide it between the Jews and the Arabs, because so many Arabs were unwilling to live peaceably with Jews.
Jews did not have the same attitude; any Arabs on the land assigned to Israel were welcome to stay as full Israeli citizens. But many left.
The remaining Palestinian lands were given to Trans-Jordan and Egypt. But the Arabs in these lands kept on shelling Israel, aiming almost exclusively at Israeli civilians. In self defense, Israel took over these lands in 1967. Jordan and Egypt don't want them back. So Israel has been trying to support the development of independent government in West Bank (formerly part of Jordan) and Gaza (formerly part of Egypt). So far with very limited success.

Yes it does and it always will!! May god help them.

Soccer Darling

How sad! ;(
But as long as there are Palestinians, Palestine will always exist!!!!!

Ya Rab, sa3dna kilna.

mblue1209

Where's the question

Yes it did, however the land wasn't worth much... as it took the Israelis hard work to make plants grow there and make the place liveable.

I'm sorry, but your "sacred lands" are every religion's "sacred lands".

Were you even alive at the time, or do you think you should own the land because someone of the same religion before you did? It's not the Israelis that took your land, they were given the land by other countries after WW2. If this is your excuse for jihad, your anger is misplaced. But that's just an excuse, right? The real reason is that you want everyone to be your religion... and if they refuse they should be killed.

So here's a good question for you, why didn't your people stop shooting unprovoked rockets into Israel after you were given Gaza?And don't tell me that those people are terrorists and you shouldn't be punished for their actions; if you disagree with their actions, you should stand up for what's right for humanity and try to stop them. What will have to happen for this violence to stop? Israel certainly wants to live in peace, otherwise they wouldn't have given you Gaza.

think_hard

Bravo! Thank you very much for smacking a blow to the zionist lies out there!

Here's a map shows how that land was slowly robbed - the biggest robbery of the 21st century:
http://www.thewall.org.uk/images/content/landloss-full.jpg

As for poster 'me' and his super-special question, then that zionist argument was a total lie. The Israelis never truly pulled out of Gaza, they blocked fishing routes, trade routes, controlled passage from land, air and sea, etc. which is legally STILL AN OCCUPATION!

What's wworse they pulled out some troops and settlers from the gaza strip only to expand their settlements in the West Bank! People forget that the WEST BANK AND GAZA ARE ALL ONE LAND OF PALESTINE (thats ignoring 1948 borders), and the Palestinian people are still under occupation.

A bit like if you had one knife stabbed into my abdomen, and the other in my chest. Then you pull the one out of my abdomen and call it a 'noble deed and act of mercy', only to put it into my chest along with the other one!

Read the full response to this and other such zionist claims here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-schweber/israel-in-gaza-three-wron_b_156801.html

Supports GEERT WILDERS

The region of Palestine has been there since it was named that by the Roman conquerors. The British Palestinian Mandate owned it as part of their vast British Empire and when the Empire was dissolved and the middle east was nation building, the former Palestinian region was actually split between Israel and Jordan.

Both countries renamed their part of that former region ( there never was a country called Palestine.)

Syria still has Palestine on their maps (they do not recognize neither Israel or Jordan on maps) but prefer the region to once again be named Palestine.

All of the Middle East was being formed at that point. Arabs already know this. Who didn't tell the person at the printing press?

"The Israelis can sue the Arabs now, and demand billions or even trillions in compensation for the damage caused them in 1948-1967. You Arabs admitted that the [Palestinian] cause began after 1967. So the Israelis can ask: "Why did you fight us before that?" They will demand Arab compensation for the so-called embargo on Israel and for the economic damage caused to the Israelis. If the Israelis sue you, they will win. They will say: We suffered an injustice. We are like an innocent lamb surrounded by wolves. We've been saying this since 1948." Qaddafi, Arab Summit 2008

and WHY is Qaddafi saying "you Arabs admitted the [Palestinian] cause began after 1967"

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." -- PLO Executive Committee member Zuhayr Muhsin, March 31, 1977, interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw."

Someone who cares

Yes but it is a region including israel, jordan, etc.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_maps.php

dandyl

The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C.E., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what are now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century C.E., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name.

The Hebrews entered the Land of Israel about 1300 B.C.E., living under a tribal confederation until being united under the first monarch, King Saul. The second king, David, established Jerusalem as the capital around 1000 B.C.E. David's son, Solomon built the Temple soon thereafter and consolidated the military, administrative and religious functions of the kingdom. The nation was divided under Solomon's son, with the northern kingdom (Israel) lasting until 722 B.C.E., when the Assyrians destroyed it, and the southern kingdom (Judah) surviving until the Babylonian conquest in 586 B.C.E. The Jewish people enjoyed brief periods of sovereignty afterward before most Jews were finally driven from their homeland in 135 C.E.

Jewish independence in the Land of Israel lasted for more than 400 years. This is much longer than Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States.4 In fact, if not for foreign conquerors, Israel would be 3,000 years old today.

Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not."

Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:

We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds.

In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: "There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."

The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said "Palestine was part of the Province of Syria" and that, "politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity." A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."

Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.

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Yes. Over 70% of it now lies in Jordan.

Teresa (SFECU) -â€ - pray4revival

They were not your "sacred lands". Palestine was and always will be the home of Israel. The British, who happened to print that note in London knew this and returned the land to its rightful owners.

In the interest of peace, they gave the Arabs the largest share of it, something I don't think they should have done since it was obviously a wasted effort on the lying ingrates.

They've lost the war to try to steal it back... what... 5 times now? When will they ever get it through their heads that they can't have the Holy Land back and that the Jews who live there will never again be forced to live under the iron rule and oppression of Islam?

Tapestry6

That area belongs to the Jews long before there was even a Moslem religion. 4,000 years they lived there and 4000 years there has been war against the Assyrians, Babylonians, Egyptians toward the Israelites now called the Jews.
I believe that Mecca and Medina are the Moslem Holy Lands and they don't let Jews or Christians in their Holy Cities, they sound just greedy to me.

lying again.
http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=244

wider scope

No, as a nation it never existed. Supposed to doesn't cut it.

Annt Hu DeShalit

There is no age-old Palestinian people. Most so-called Palestinians are relative newcomers to the Land of Israel.

Like a mantra, Arabs repeatedly claim that the Palestinians are a native people. The concept of a 'Stateless Palestinian people' is not based on fact. It is a fabrication.

Palestinian Arabs cast themselves as a native people in "Palestine" -- like the Aborigines in Australia or Native Americans in America. They portray the Jews as European imperialists and colonizers. This is simply untrue.

Until the Jews began returning to the Land of Israel in increasing numbers from the late 19th century to the turn of the 20th, the area called Palestine was a God-forsaken backwash that belonged to the Ottoman Empire, based in Turkey.

The land's fragile ecology had been laid waste in the wake of the Arabs' 7th-century conquest. In 1799, the population was at it lowest and estimated to be no more than 250,000 to 300,000 inhabitants in all the land.

At the turn of the 20th century, the Arab population west of the Jordan River (today, Israel and the West Bank) was about half a million inhabitants and east of the Jordan River perhaps 200,000.
The collapse of the agricultural system with the influx of nomadic tribes after the Arab conquest that created malarial swamps and denuded the ancient terrace system eroding the soil, was coupled by a tyrannous regime, a crippling tax system and absentee landowners that further decimated the population. Much of the indigenous population had long since migrated or disappeared. Very few Jews or Arabs lived in the region before the arrival of the first Zionists in the 1880s and most of those that did lived in abject poverty.

Most Arabs living west of the Jordan River in Israel, the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza are newcomers who came from surrounding Arab lands after the turn of the 20th century because they were attracted to the relative economic prosperity brought about by the Zionist Movement and the British in the 1920s and 1930s.
This is substantiated by eyewitness reports of a deserted country -- including 18th-century reports from the British archaeologist Thomas Shaw, French author and historian Count Constantine Volney (Travels through Syria and Egypt, 1798); the mid-19th-century writings of Alphonse de Lamartine (Recollections of the East, 1835); Mark Twain (Innocents Abroad, 1867); and reports from the British Consul in Jerusalem (1857) that were sent back to London.

The Ottoman Turks' census (1882) recorded only 141,000 Muslims in the Land of Israel. The real number is probably closer to 350,000 to 425,000, since many hid to avoid taxes. The British census in 1922 reported 650,000 Muslims.

Aerial photographs taken by German aviators during World War I show an underdeveloped country composed mainly of primitive hamlets. Ashdod, for instance, was a cluster of mud dwellings, Haifa a fishing village. In 1934 alone, 30,000 Syrian Arabs from the Hauran moved across the northern frontier into Mandate Palestine, attracted by work in and around the newly built British port and the construction of other infrastructure projects. They even dubbed Haifa Um el-Amal ('the city of work').

The fallacy of Arab claims that most Palestinians were indigenous to Palestine -- not newcomers - is also bolstered by a 1909 vintage photograph of Nablus, today an Arab city on the West Bank with over 121,000 residents. Based on the number of buildings in the photo taken from the base of Mount Gerizim, the population in 1909 -- Muslim Arabs and Jewish Samaritans -- could not have been greater than 2,000 residents.

Family names of many Palestinians attest to their non-Palestinian origins. Just as Jews bear names like Berliner, Warsaw and Toledano, modern phone books in the Territories are filled with families named Elmisri (Egyptian), Halabi (Syrian), and Mugrabi (North Africa). Even George Habash -- the arch-terrorist and head of Black September -- bears a name with origins in Abyssinia or Ethiopia, Habash in both Arabic and Hebrew.

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Somebody

The answer:
http://www.sott.net/image/image/9591/israel-palestine_map.jpg

Samsooma The Madruba

British, everybody knows that

Israel stamp 1931
http://www.historama.com/online-resources/history-collecting-resources/stamps-philatelics/israeli_minhelet_haam_tel_aviv_ovpt_stamp_1948.jpg

Israel
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Israel
http://www.historama.com/online-resources/articles/israel/british_intelligence_yagur_report_kollek.jpg

1921
http://www.historama.com/online-resources/history-collecting-resources/stamps-philatelics/israeli_minhelet_haam_cover_1948_zichron_yaakov.jpg

completeD

the people who now live in palestine have lived there for years upon years, but not as "Palestinians", they were under Ottoman empire. they just adopted the name palestine from the zionists. when the british took over they split all the lands and then the land was split again when the zionists came, but nonetheless the people have been around for a while

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