If Palestine doesn't have the right to exist, Israeli doesn't have the right to exist either, am i right? ?

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Lupines supports GEERT WILDERS

But extremist Muslims do not want to share. When West Bank was part of Jordan and Gaza was part of Egypt, they did not make their Palestine at that time. Because there was no problem with a Palestinian people they just wanted the rest of Israel. At that time the Palestinians were just considered Arabs, from Jordan and Syria and other countries. If anyone thinks they are Palestinian honestly chances are they are not. Palestine was a name given the region by the Romans, and the Arabs there called themselves Syrians while the Jews were called the Palestinians. Syria was a strong supporter in fledgling PLO to overthrow both Israel and Jordan and chances are they are Syrians. There never really was a distinct Palestinian people. The Arabs already admitted what they were doing.

"The Israelis can sue the Arabs now, and demand billions or even trillions in compensation for the damage caused them in 1948-1967. You Arabs admitted that the [Palestinian] cause began after 1967. So the Israelis can ask: "Why did you fight us before that?" They will demand Arab compensation for the so-called embargo on Israel and for the economic damage caused to the Israelis. If the Israelis sue you, they will win. They will say: We suffered an injustice. We are like an innocent lamb surrounded by wolves. We've been saying this since 1948." Qaddafi, Arab Summit 2008

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." -- PLO Executive Committee member Zuhayr Muhsin, March 31, 1977, interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw."

Never a distinct Palestinian people:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26932

What really happened:
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

Qaddafi to Arab Summit 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP2ePHOLSqo

While Israel absorbed her refugees from other countries, nobody can make the Arabs take their refugees back. Although I do not like to reward their continued violence against Israel, I can subscribe to a 2 state solution for the sake of peace. The problem is that the extremist Muslims cannot share at all. They continue to have same tactic they did back in '48.. to annihilate all Jews and then spread Islam to the rest of the World.

Hamas In Their Own Voices
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg

Tyreeisme!

no both have a right to exist , 2 state solution!

You should ask Jordan. That's where they were supposed to be to start with. Check on that point of history . It may help you understand why the Pals are squeezed.
Why does Israel always have to give just to recieve threats and rockets.
They tried separation. It didn't work.

Teresa (SFECU) -â€ - pray4revival

Okay, so you think we should dissolve ALL the countries that were formed when the Ottoman Empire was dismantled and start over?

Forget the Treaty of SÃ¨vres
Forget the Anglo-French Declaration
Forget the McMahon-Hussein Correspondence
Forget the San Remo agreement
Forget the Sykes-Picot Pact
Forget the Balfour Declaration
Forget the 1939 White Papers agreement
and forget any other agreements or correspondence relating to the division.

Since the Arabs have made it obvious they don't want the Jews living among them unless they submit to their authority and Sharia Law (1,025,000 expelled from Arab countries) and since the Jews do not want to live under Arab authority and Sharia Law there must be some sort of division of the former Ottoman Empire to allow both groups to be self-governing.

So, are you going to base this division of the former Ottoman Empire on the percentage of different ethnic people that lived in the area at that time? What area and at what time though? In the 1880's Jews accounted for about 6 percent of the population of what was considered "The Palestinian Territory" alone. This number increased to about 8 percent in 1918, then to 18 percent in 1931 and 31 percent in 1939. But that doesn't even account for the Jews that lived throughout the rest of the Ottoman Empire. Although many of the Jews in that small territory migrated there from Europe, many were also part of the more than a million that were being expelled from the rest of the empire, now referred to as the Arabian areas, including the new nation Trans-Jordan that against it's agreement with Britain passed laws that denied the current Jewish population there the right to own property or claim citizenship.

But, if the Jews are given 31% of the Ottoman Empire I can guarantee you we will see WWIII in an Arabian heartbeat.

Heck, if the Jews are even given 31% of the former Palestinian Territory I can guarantee you we will see WWIII in an Arabian heartbeat.

The fact is, the Jews were given less than 27% of the original Palestinian Territory and what has historically been referred to throughout history as their HOLY LAND. And the Arabs have waged war against them nearly non-stop ever since. They don't want them living in their countries, and won't even allow them to visit their holiest site of Mecca but they also want to deny them the right to have their own country and control of their holiest site, the Temple Mount. Can you imagine the violence the world would see if some other religion suddenly claimed that Mecca was their 3rd holiest site and demanded the right to tear down the mosque there and build their own temple, synagogue, church or whatever?

What originally started out as a "2 State Solution" has turned into 58 states for the Arabs and 1 state for Israel that the Arabs still demand to have control over.

And yet Israel is constantly referred to as an illegal, occupying, land grabbing, nation, that shouldn't have the right to exist.

But what exactly is Israel occupying? 1/600th of the land the Arabs have through political manipulation, economic terrorism, and violence taken control of.

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As for Israel fencing the Gazans in and starving them, this is a falsehood put out by the Arab propagandists. When Israel forced it's own people out of the settlements in Gaza 3 years ago the Gazans destroyed everything that was handed to them on a silver platter, including more than 3,000 greenhouses that provided more than 10,000 jobs and enough food to feed a good portion of their population. Their way of thanking Israel for vacating and leaving all this to them was to vote in the mujahideen (terrorist group) Hamas to start a war with Israel using the excuse that Israel caused their high unemployment and their children to go hungry.

The border fence that Israel has constructed is NO different than the one the Saudis have to keep the Yemeni jihadists out of their country; or the one that India has along its borders with Pakistan, Kashmir and Bangladesh to keep the jihadists out of their country;or the one that the Thais have to keep the Malaysian jihadists out of their country. No one seems to think those countries are holding them "prisoner".

Furthermore, the Israeli's have NOT prevented humanitarian aid from getting into Gaza. 179 truckloads of humanitarian aid have been delivered through Israeli crossings into Gaza since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead, including basic food commodities, medication, medical supplies, donations of governments and blood units. 106 additional truckloads of humanitarian aid are expected to arrive in Gaza on Jan. 31.

6,500 tons of aid have been transported into Gaza at the request of international organizations, the Palestinian Authority and various governments since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead. In fact, The World Food Program informed Israel that it will cease shipments of food to Gaza because warehouses are at full capacity, with enough food to last two weeks. So if there are starving people in Gaza, it's only because Hamas controls the distribution of the aid they're supposed to be getting and they're just as corrupt as Fatah was before them and Arafat's PLO before them. You see, the Arabs cannot paint Israel as oppressive, if their people are getting their needs met.

Unknown

I believe both Israel and Palestine have the right to exist in a peaceful two state solution. Just having a government run by Hamas is a threat to the peace process because their manifesto clearly states that they are against peace solutions and will only stop fighting if they have all of Israel. That is not a realistic goal. So as a Jew myself I believe both Israel and Palestine have the right to exist, just not a Palestine under Hamas.

davidagnew26

The Palestinians (in Gaza) have brought this recent crisis largely upon themselves.

I find it hard to sympathise with people who elected a mad Islamic terrorist organisation whose aims appear to be war with their much more powerful neighbour, Israel. What did they expect when Hamas continued its indiscriminate rocket attacks? Israel was clearly going to respond with great force and so they did.

Israel has shown that it is willing to recognise the Palestinians' right to exist by offering a two-state solution at the Camp David meetings. Yasser Arafat rejected the proposal.

Until the Palestinians abandon violence their so-called oppression will not end.

P.S. Would the questioner be so kind as to provide evidence for her absurd claims that Israel has wiped out 'millions of innocent woman, men, children and elderly? basically wiping out a whole generation'?

BRUCE C

Hamas states that Israel does not have the right to exist.Israel wants to be free of rocket and mortar attacks by Hamas.

red_klinik

if they would stop hating on the israelis and actually focused on becoming a civilized society instead of acting like a pack of wild animals maybe they would prosper as a society...until that happens, they will continue to launch rockets into israel and then act like cry babies when israel retaliates.

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The nation of Israel existed since the days of Egypt from when Israel was born. Check out the Scriptural book of Exodus. They dwelt in the land called Canaan. As time progressed, the name was changed (much like Constantinople is now Istanbul). Those claiming to be Palestinians were actually offered some of Jordan, but they refused. Israel, on the other hand, took the offer to establish themselves as a nation once again.

Macho Man

You are Absolutely right,i agree with you.

karenjo

The Palestinian leadership has repeatedly been offered a separate state. Coming to some agreement about this would require much debate between the two sets of leaders, and much compromise on both parts. Unfortunately, the Palestinian leadership has repeatedly refused to sit down at the table and work out compromises. Their stated position is that they want nothing less than the obliteration of the State of Israel. They will not recogize the State of Israel, and unless things change drastically in the future, they simply want Israel -- and the Jews -- wiped off the face of the earth.

No, an individual Israeli child is not "superior" to an individual Palestinian child. I don't know any Jewish or Israeli people who would make that claim.

Fatima

Why are you blaming Jews for the amount of land given to Palestinians?
It was the British who divided the land. Why don't you blame Britain for giving over half of the original Palestine to Jordan?
Why doesn't Palestine attack Jordan and reclaim their land?

internet tuff girl

Who said Palestine doesn't have the right to exist? that is imagined by you.

All I can say is You are right. Except Israel never had a reason or cause to exist. Essentially they are and always were nothing. That land belongs to Palestine.

Steel Rain

There is no comparison between the Nazis and the Israelis to do so is a denial of the truth. Arabs have killed millions of Arab women, children and elderly the Israelis have not. A two state solution has been offered to the Palestinians and they are not willing to accept this, the status of Jerusalem is the real sticking point in this issue. The Palestinians should look to their Muslim brothers in Egypt, Syria and Jordan to provide them land for a Palestinian state.

Arieh

It wouldn't surprise me if Israel wanted the concerned parties to live up to original agreement. I know I would.

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Emasculated Britain

Palestinians have endured a 60 year long holocaust. Palestine has a right to exist. Israel's right to exist is based on a nostalgic notion of fulfilling a prophecy. When everyone has their own, the entire territory should be known as Palestine. The whole world, including Palestine, is big enough to accommodate all the world's Jews.

EDIT Hamas negotiated with Israel via mediators, therefore by definition recognise Israel. But all doubt could be put aside by encouraging the rebuilding of the PLO, which the UN has recognised as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people since 1974, and which Israel recognised since the Camp David Accords.

(identity withheld)

maybe the USA should just invade and take over the entire levant (near east)

cocacola

It's one religion hating on another. Let them have their period over it and dont worry.

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