If the Holocaust can be shown to be a lie, can the Palestinians get their land back?

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Shay p

If the holocaust can be shown to be a lie, were are 82 members of my family, were were the family's of 42 children that studied with me in first grade, were were the grandfathers and grandmothers and aunts and uncles of 630 children in my school ????

When the remnants of the Holocaust came back to their country the Arabs, the ones you call Palsetinans started killing them again, so we kicked their a.ses.

And anyway what in your opinion is their land, dig anywhere you want in this country, in some places there are layers of Islam remnants going 3 inches deep, that's about 200 years worth, but go and dig anywhere in this country and you'll find 3500 years of Jewish remnants,
Go to Tel Megiddo, count >>> made of 26 layers, all ruins of ancient Jewish israeli cities.

Hatikvah JPA

Get their land back? What country has EVER returned land won in war?

The Palestinians have called themselves refugees for 60 years, yet reject resettlement by the International Community. It's not the land they want, it's the Jews they DON'T want and they will commit universal suicide to accomplish that end.

Are Palestinians the first refugee population in history? Hardly. But they are surely the first refugees who, as a group, have categorically RESISTED RESETTLEMENT, instead living for decades as wards of the international community. Indeed, in Gaza today, years after Israel renounced any territorial claims, there continue to be refugee camps. Why? Why -- other than to serve as incubators for hatred that produce recruits bent on martyrdom and mayhem -- are there Palestinian refugee camps in Palestinian territory?
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/Nothing_Short_of_a_Miracle.asp

The trust deficit is exacerbated by the fact that after Israel quit the Gaza Strip in 2005, Palestinians, instead of building Singapore there, built Somalia and focused not on how to make microchips, but on how to make rockets to hit Israel. Thomas Friedman
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/opinion/04friedman.html?em&ex=1212811200&en=1ca1f27e6a40c673&ei=5070
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unforsakenme

Both, the Jews and the Palestinians should have a country, whether the holocaust happened or not.

magnevo

First of all, jews deserve land, Holocaust or not. In fact it would have been better without the holocaust. Second, 3 of my great uncles were killed in the holocaust, and I know the story behind it. I'm sure many other jews have cases like mine with more proof. Second, there is still living, breathing, proof of the Holocaust which is the survivors. Lastly, If you go to Auschwitz, you will see the scratches and the rags left by jews in the gas chambers.

Simple Simon

Why Arabs are obsessed with the Holocaust?
Arabs want tp rewrite the history and show that Holocaust created State of Israel.
That's not true.
Tel-Aviv was established in 1909 ( Last week it celebrated 100 years!!!).
Jewish villages in Gaza were on the lands purchased by Jews back in 1930, when even Hitler did not dream about Holocaust.
And League of Nations (today UN) approved 5 new states in the ME in 1922: Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Israel.
Historic Palestine was divided. East Palestine (78% of historic) was given to Arabs and called today Jordan ( Such state has never existed before). West Palestine (22%) was given to Jews including West Bank (The real name-Judea) and Gaza.

mattapan26

Let me guess, another Muslim with a European looking avatar right? Yes, the holocaust happened. We all know that holocaust denial is the lynchpin of the haters from Iran and others inside and outside the various Palestinian factions. Of course, it's like arguing that the world is flat and can only undercut the moral position your supposedly arguing from.

Dead Parrot Society

So, going by your (il)logic, if the Holocaust is shown to be a truth, does everyone put down their weapons, and accept the land division as it now stands?

There are people dying over this, and you make such a stupid analogy.

How moronic. Israel would be too lucky to have idiots such as yourself with whom to negotiate.

PaperbackWriter JPA

And how could they 'get back' land that was never *theirs* to start with...?

The term 'palestinian' always referred to Palestinian Jews, since only they have been living in that region, non stop, for the past 3500 years. That is the entire reason WHY the region was divided. 82% to the Arabs - in the shape of JORDAN.
The rest was split, a sliver went to the Palestinian Jews, the rest went to the Palestinian Arabs. The Arabs went beserk, insisted that 100% of the region had to belong to them, and then declared war, before six Arab armies invaded the new Jewish state.

We didn't get Israel because of the Holocaust.
We got Israel because we were ALREADY THERE and we have the strongest historican and physical connection with the tiny bit of land that is Israel today.

Speaking OF the Holocaust - funny how nobody ever mentions the way the entire Arab and Muslim worlds SUPPORTED HITLER and fought FOR the Nazis, isn't it...?

roostermanforever

are you for real,if you believe that rubbish then take a trip to any jewish museam or if you really want to seek the truth then go to poland and other surrounding countries and see for yourself the death camps,get your nose out of conspirousy books and get in the real world,there are millions of documentations ,survivours,eye witnesses,the only hoax that exists is the denyers,

Kevin S

"OK, I will clarify. Israel would not exist now if if not were for the Holocaust. "

Not true. There was an agreement for a jewish state for the Yishuv (palestinian Jews) long before white racism got the best of european jewry.

Learn your facts then ask questions.

You can find a conspiracy theory in any situation. If the holocaust is not true then Europe never had 18 million Jews (which the records show they did). 3 million names were conserved by the SS. The red cross document you see is official but even the red cross admits they were duped. The SS showed the red cross where and how much killing occured. Would you trust the Nazis?

rosends

ignoring the fact that you can't prove the holocaust a lie, the existence has nothing to do with the state of israel unless you can show that the events of 1933-1945 retroactively affected the drafting of the mandate and the partition plan and the white paper and balfour declaration years earlier.

anoshorahim

I don't think you understand the issue here. What is now called israel was actually the land of the israelites, who are descended from abraham. It did not belong to the arabs (palestinians) either.The ones who live there are ashkenazi jews. The name askenazim came from the descendants of the original jews, which are from the canaan land in iraq.

The problem going on in israel is basically just because of governments, not so much the people living there. If the US did not support israel then palestinians might have killed the jews (europeans) living there. The holocaust has already happened. There is no way anyone can deny it. Right now, they just need to both get along and share that land. It would be ridiculous to claim that something very horrible was fake when history proved that it indeed happened.

By the way, i know i went off the question just for a bit there but this is just the root of the problem occuring now. It is just extra details to help you understand it better.

Your Friendly Jewish Accountant

Ridiculous. It's not like Israel is the spoils of war. The Arabs of the time were monetarily compensated for the land.

Learn something about history please.

And by "international community", whatever the hell that means, are you talking about the U.N.? Read first, then ask your questions.

SARA

No, the holocaust has nothing to do with the current situation.

The current situation is that Jews want their holy land while Arabs say they were the original settlers

The First Dragon

The foundation of the Jewish Homeland (Israel) was planned well before the Holocaust started. Remember Haj Husayni, in the 1920s, already arguing against it and giving his support to Hitler.
As for saying the Holocaust didn't happen, well, the Nazis themselves recorded it in excruciating detail.

marcuss

You are nothing but a damn fool.

dart

Nope. Cause the Holocaust is NOT a lie.

Go to Bergen-Belsen, Auschwitz, Dachau, or any of the other camps, walk through, listen to the ghosts in the walls, and tell the people who were THERE that it is a lie!

ellie

People who deny the Holocaust happened are simply intellectually dishonest...there is no question of "keeping inquiring minds silent." It's sheer dishonesty.

Mobius

Hard to tell which is more important to you, destroying Israel or proving that the Holocaust is a hoax.

I see, therefore, that you are a dedicated humanist.

If you wanted to be thorough about your research, such as it is, your quest for truth, such as it is, would have led you from David Cole's Holocaust denying video on your most excellent link, to David Cole's later recanting of the video with his profuse apology for hurting the victims of the Holocaust. But what do you expect from a lying Jew? Oh, wait a minute, you were just using his video to support your well thought out point of view. Yeah, the JDL forced him to recant.

Whatever.

http://www.codoh.com/censor/censgunpoint.html

"This statement is given in an attempt to set the record straight about my current views regarding the Holocaust and Holocaust denial. As anyone who follows the subject of the Holocaust denial knows, from 1991 until 1994 I was well known in the movement as a Jewish Holocaust denier (a self-described "revisionist"). For the last three years I have no longer been associated with this movement, having realized that I was wrong and that the path I was taking with my life was self-destructive and hurtful to others. I have spent the last few years in silence on the subject of my time with the denial movement, a silence caused mainly by my shame at what I had done with my life and my desire to distance myself from that life.

However, in that shame-induced silence it has been brought to my attention that I have not gone as far as I should have to make a clear and complete public statement in order to set the record straight as to where I stand.

It is my great hope that this statement accomplishes that task.

I would like to state for the record that there is no question in my mind that during the Holocaust of Europe's Jews during World War Two, the Nazis employed gas chambers in an attempt to commit genocide against the Jews. At camps in both Eastern and Western Europe, Jews were murdered in gas chambers which employed such poison gases as Zyklon B and carbon monoxide (in the Auschwitz camp, for example, the gas chambers used Zyklon B). The evidence for this is overwhelming and unmistakable.

The Nazis intended to kill all of the Jews of Europe, and the final death toll of this attempted genocide was six million. This atrocity, unique in its scope and breadth, must never be forgotten.

During my four years as a denier, I was wracked with self-hate and loathing, a fact that many of my critics were quick to point out. Indeed, this self hatred was obvious to most, but I was too blind to see it. The hate I had for myself I took out on my people. I was seduced by pseudo-historical nonsense and clever-sounding but empty ideas and catch-phrases. When my eyes were finally opened, thanks to several good, kind friends who refused to give up on me even at my worst, I was horrified by what I had done. My instinct was to flee and never look back, but I now understand that I owe it to the people I wronged to make a forceful repudiation of my earlier views. I also owe a very large apology, not only to the many people I enraged, and to the family and friends I hurt, but especially to the survivors of the Holocaust, who deserve only our respect and compassion, not re-victimization.

Therefore, to all of the above people, let me offer my most humble and very, very sincere apology. I am sorry for what did, and I am sorry for the hurt I caused.

And just as I must set the record straight concerning my views, it is also incumbent on me to set the record straight regarding the video "documentaries" and media appearances I did from 1991 to 1994. These "documentaries" are merely videotaped garbage filled with self-hatred and pseudo-intellectual nonsense. My "media appearances" were nothing but an embarrassment. My glazed look, specious reasoning, and talking-in-circles during my talk show appearances would have hopefully alerted any astute viewers that this was a man not in touch with reality.

It has been brought to my attention that Bradley Smith is still using one of my videos in advertisements he is running on college campuses. Therefore, I would like to make these additional points: This video is being advertised without my consent, and I denounce this video as being without worth. Bradley Smith is no historian, and denial is no "historical field". Students on college campuses should look elsewhere to find out about the Holocaust. To these students I would say, look to books like Hilberg's "Destruction of the European Jews", Yahil's "The Holocaust", and Dawidowicz's "War Against the Jews" for correct information. If your school library doesn't stock these books, have them order copies. Do not pay any attention to any "David Cole" videos, except to rightly denounce them as frauds.

I am thankful for being given the opportunity to make this statement. This statement is made freely and under no duress, and is quite willin

Chuck

Holocaust a lie?
This is the most nonsense I have read in a long time.
Go away.

Steel Rain

The holocaust is well documented and videoed, if hundreds of mass graves and mountains of corpses can not prove to you that the holocaust actually happened then you are in denial and can not face reality.

Seen it all before

you seem to have a weak grasp of history and a weak grasp of reality

israel has plenty of criticism .....most days from muslims who support hitler and deny the holocaust

don't you ever get bored with typing such tripe? or do you really know no better?
real education means reading more than the koran and watching you tube and anti-israeli propaganda

pitiful effort on your part to offend jews

thebigm57

First you're denying historical fact and to try and defend a position that says the holocaust never happened is well, BLEEP! Now on to the next issue...No the world didn't feel sympathetic toward the displaced Jews at the end of WW II a famous British Statesman can be quoted as stating the following: "What can we do with the Jewish REFUGEES, as their own home States wont' accept them back? We have a Jewish problem." You call that sympathetic? It's exactly the same thing with the Palestinians who were turned into REFUGEES by their "brother" Arabs. Treated as something less than Arabic by them and it's they who created the problem not Israel. The Palestinians NEVER had a country and shouldn't as they are TRIBAL nomadic people by nature who roam the deserts of the ME and have for a very, very long time. There is some jealousy on the part of the Arabic nations over Israeli accomplishments in their short existence that also fuels the flames of hatred in the ME. It is however high time that Palestinians look at their own "brother" Arabs and ask why weren't we accepted into your countries as citizens instead of being made into refugees. Again, Israel didn't do that the Arabic nations did.

Tectonic French Toast (w/syrup)

Well damn, if they do, there go my vacation plans.

Oh, wait. Never mind. I'm going down to Cape Hatteras for vaycay. There are far less people blowing each other up, which would kind of interrupt my drinking time.

JewishFeminist&Geek

Hypothetically no, it has nothing to do with it. It's our land. It has nothing to do with the Holocaust, furthermore it is impossible to 100% prove that it didn't happen. Cause back then photo's couldn't be digitally faked. Israel was never their land nor will it EVER be.

Arieh

If no one has shown it to be a lie by now, it will never be uncovered as such. Yes, the Holocaust was the catalyst in the formation of the State of Israel. Maybe the suffering of the Gazans will have the same effect in the formation of a Palestinian state. Don't worry, Israel has a track record of giving up land for peace and it will do so in the future.

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