Is Israel a legit state/nation or not ?

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Sam

no i don't agree with hamas at all. and no i don't view Israel as a nation either. why? because it has done so many atrocities that so many countries tried to protests but was silenced by the USA.
like what? the previous leader of Israel(who died of a heart attack i think and was in coma i don't remember) persude a group of refugees all the way to lebobanon and massacred 2 refuggee camps in lebonon. reason? they were terrorists. did they find even a single wepon? no just women and children.
there are other examples suchs cluster bombing(mine stuffed inside of toys), a sniper downed 4 kids playing by the beach with their kites because they were 1km away from a settlement in side the area. ages 4-10
that's facts believe what you want.

i can go on but i know you wont even respond to this. because you Israelis are such hypocrites, when shown your own injustices you just ignore what the guy say and still "we where just defending ourselves D:"

rundevilrun

No. They have long since disavowed the borders they accepted in 1947. They also have a very long,ugly and ongoing history of human-rights abuses. To put it mildly.

Clyde N

Until the Jews stole Palestinian land and killed the Palestinians to get it, Israel did not exist. As a country Israel has REPEATEDLY refused to define her Southern border herself because the Israelis wish to annex the West Bank as part of Israel, claiming it as their Judah. East Jerusalem is ARAB and in the WEST BANK. Guess what- Israel refuses to believe this, even making several illegal attempts to unilaterally annex it-The UN and the rest of the world have vetoed it. The reason they have not annexed the West Bank is because the MAJORITY are Arabs-to do so would make them INSTANTLY a Jewish country with a MAJORITY Arab population instead of this happening in 25-30 years, not so far away.The democratically elected Hamas are actually the Arab counter part to the murderous Jewish terrorist group-an ACTUAL label the British gave them, the now democratically elected Likud-one terrorist group does not recognize another.

As far as Peace, simply ask why is Israel still occupying the Palestiniian West Bank and Gaza strips they ceded to the Palestinians in 2005, cutting off power, water, food, medicine, jobs, using cluster and phosphorous bombs on civilands bulldozing house, stealing land, brutalizing, raping killing the owners, using tanks and machine guns, to build ILLEGAL JEWISH ONLY settlements and buffer zones(even the US has asked them to stop-they refuse). The Palestinians lobb some missles into southern Israel to protect there land and lives and are branded terrorists-GEE-I think the Israelis are the terrorists-hear the brave words of some Israeli soldiers on this very matter-I applaud them for their truly human hearts:

http://www.shovrimshtika.org/index_e.asp- Break the Silence

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The following link gives some UNBIASED statistics on deaths on BOTH sides-see whom has the right to protect themselves from whom-it sure isn't the Israelis:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10659472@N02/

EDIT:Dandyl:

1) The Jews STOLE the land,already developed by the Palestinians, and killed the Palestinians, doing so to this day.

2) The land belonged to the Palestinians, not the UN or International community-that part is under the bridge.

3) The land was, and, is being stolen by "offensive, not defensive" wars-come on now, it is NOT the Palestinians occupying Israel, but the other way around.

4) The promise was NOT intended to be made to Isaac, but to Ishmael-Sarah, Abraham's wife, figured differently. The promise that is the basis of the term "promised land" is contained in Genesis 15:18-21 of the Hebrew Bible:

"On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abrham and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates - the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."

The verse is said to describe what are known as "Borders of the Land" (Gevulot Ha-aretz). In Jewish tradition these borders define the maximum extent of the land promised to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac(2nd born-the Jewish lineage and Ishmael the 1st born and the Arab lineage) and grandson Jacob.Even according to Jewish customs, the oldest son, which is Ishmael, is entitled to the father's inheritance, but because Sarah despised Ishmael, she wanted Isaac to get the inheritance and had Abraham exhile Ishmael. Neither is Ishmael illegitimate but the legal son of his SECOND wife Hagar-Genesis 16: "And Sarah Abraham's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abraham had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abraham to be his WIFE(my emphasis).

The promise is made to Abraham and the descendants of his son Isaac, and Isaac's son Jacob, Abraham's grandson as they are all given promise that their descendants will be given a territory from the river of Egypt to the Euphrates river.No where does it say the Israelis/Jews OWNED the land, nor were they to take it from, and, kill the Palestinians. The Israelis/Jews were given a land ONLY to reside in as many Jews already had among the Palestinians.God clearly states whom the land belongs to-"the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites." Of all these people, only the Palestinians whom are considered Canaanites, are still around. Except for Iran and Israel, Arabs own all of what was Canaan.

It is Israel whom is illegally occupying the West Bank and Gaza strips, illegally building Jewish ONLY settlements and buffer zones from land stolen from murdered INNOCENT civilian Palestinians using machine guns and tanks.It is not the Palestinians cutting off power,water, food, medicines, and jobs-just HOW would YOU protect yourself from annhilation by occupiers if your government couldn't?

*According to Alexander Scholch, GERMAN JEW AND PROFESSIONAL HISTORIAN, the population of Palestine in 1850 had about 350,000 inhabitants, 30% of whom lived in 13 towns; roughly 85% were Muslims(Arabs), 11% were Christians and 4% Jews.Scholch, 1985, p. 503.

Palestinian Demographics Link up to 1948
http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm

The Ottmans NEVER owned the land. They were occupiers to, and, were forced out by a series of revolts spearheaded by the Arabs-the Ottmans were driven out in 1922.Most of the Jews forming Israel were Foreign Jews, for the most part, having little or no connection to the Middle East .

Thumbs down, love to see proof anything I said is inaccurate, not just because you HATE Arabs.

Fiery (commie or not)

It depends on who you ask. Most agree it is. Israel's borders have expanded as well. Interestingly, enough. I believe some of it is.

Regardless, Israel is here now and that cannot and will not be changed. Everyone, including Israel, will have to adapt - and that could mean giving land to the Palestinians, etc.

Edit: "please keep this civil and polite without hurting peoples sentiments."
Are you not hurting that answer's sentiments? If they support Hamas, then so be it. I hardly think you are being "civil and polite" to people's sentiments when you ask one to blow themselves up for supporting a certain group.

Shay p

The fact Syria teaches school children there is no Israel by erasing Israel off their maps doesn't change the fact that this none country kicked their rear ends in 1947 and in 1967 and in 1973, this none existent country with their none existent planes just blew up their Atomic plant.

I was going to give you a "civil and polite without hurting peoples sentiments. No terrorizing or intimidating or other monstrous radical behavior" answer until you said "If you ARE a hamas sympathizer and have nothing intelligent to share,."

I'm not against the fact that you are against Hamas -- You are free to decide what you do and do not support, no one can or has the right to force any opinion on you (they can gradually manipulate you/me/everyone to believe certain things though). I cannot say I support Hamas either. I'm merely against you rejection of hearing the others' point of view. Also the way you express it: "just blow yourself up"... says wonders.

And about the "they're not exactly doing a great job at building bridges and peace with Jews are they ?" -- This isn't about the Jews. It's about Israel and Zionism. Judaism is as much a victim of this as Palestine and the Palestinians are.

I know I said I wouldn't answer you question but I guess I couldn't resist. If you look at the top results of googling "Asia map" , you'll notice there's no Palestine in any of them. That's all I have to say.

chinacat sunflower

Israel is a "legitimate" state only in the fact that it is recognized by most of the world as such.
But, like the United States, it was created by the subjugation, displacement and murder of its previous inhabitants. Perhaps this is why the U.S. is Israel's only unilateral supporter.
Israel my be a technically "legitimate" nation, but it's a morally and ethically incorrect one.

BTW, no one can "force me" to accept Zionism either, Honey.

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P. Sword

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Egypt

you told everyone to be "polite" and "civil" and yet in the same breath u say to people who support hamas to blow themselves up, so i am a little confused because one persons "terrorist" is another persons freedom fighter; therefore if you are going to act like u are open minded and want an answer to your question then try not to contradict yourself. To answer your "question" (which i believe is more of a statement than your wanting to know the view points of others), no, Israel is not a legitimate State because this land was stolen from the Palestinians. And if you say that there was never a state called Palestine then i say ok fine then, this land was stolen from the Arabs who have lived there for hundreds of years before the europeans (British) decided that they needed some place to put the Jews who were disliked and persecuted all over europe.

EDIT:THANK UUUUUUUUUU "Clyde" :-) so perfectly put

Duane

No. Officially it has maintained it's legal stature but the UN violated it's own charter in recognizing it. It violated the right of all people to self-determination. The Palestinians were simply told they were losing their country.

Arieh

I guess it depends upon whom you ask as your conversation indicates. As an Israeli, I certainly hope my country is legitimate (although it might seem to be bastardized by some posters).

miko

How do you measure the legitimacy of a state? I'd say it should have something to do with it's humanity, the way it treats all of the citizens that it exercises power over and how that state relates to other nations and international institutions.

By all these measures Israel is an abject failure. It doesn't just treat Palestinians like second class citizens, it murders them - men, women and children. Israel repeatedly ignores United Nations resolutions passed to curb it's revolting behavior and it has protected it's military commanders from war crimes charges (and will probably be doing so again very soon).

Israel is as 'legit' as Nazi Germany and has a similar moral outlook.

Oh, you may not like Hamas but they were democratically elected and very soon President Obama will be recognizing them as a legitimate political voice for the Palestinians.

Tyreeisme!

yes Israel is a very proud a legitimate nation!

JcL

According to the UN and most countries yes. According to Iran and Syria, no.

dandyl

Yes its a genuine legitimate country, ā€Nobody does Israel any service by proclaiming its 'right to exist.'

Israel's right to exist, like that of the United States, Saudi Arabia and 152 other states, is axiomatic and unreserved. Israel's legitimacy is not suspended in midair awaiting acknowledgement....

There is certainly no other state, big or small, young or old, that would consider mere recognition of its 'right to exist' a favor, or a negotiable concession.ā€¯The Jewish people base their claim to the Land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 2) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people; 3) the territory was captured in defensive wars and 4) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham.Israel's international "birth certificate" was validated by the promise of the Bible; uninterrupted Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel's admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel's people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence.
In Syrian schools kids are tought to hate all Israelis and that Israel does not exist and they should wipe Israel off the map. Syrian (and other Arab countries) texts omit references to Jewish contributions to the world.Syrian also learn that Palestinian textbooks also negate the Jewish connection to the Holy Land while Israeli texts show respect for the Arab/Muslim attachment to the land. ā€The Land of Israel in general, and Jerusalem in particular, have been sanctified more and more in Islamic thought s Islam has developed and spread, both religiously and geographically. As Islam absorbed more and more of the world conquered by it, so it adapted and Islamized the values that it absorbed, including the holiness of the Land of Israel, its flora and its water, living in it, the sanctity of being buried in it and the like. All these became from that time onwards part of orthodox Islamā€¯, I can go on and on, so you cant blame your friend for thinking these false facts, she is brainwashed to think otherwise.

mark m

Yes the state Israel does exists, your Syrian friend need to admit this.

Annt Hu DeShalit

The very question is an insult to one's intelligence.

Anti-Zionism rejects the very notion that Jews are a nation -- a collective bonded by a common history -- and, accordingly, denies Jews the right to self-determination in their historical birthplace. It seeks the dismantling of the Jewish nation-state: Israel.

Anti-Zionism earns its discriminatory character by denying the Jewish people what it grants to other historically bonded collectives (e.g. French, Spanish, Palestinians), namely, the right to nationhood, self-determination and legitimate coexistence with other indigenous claimants.

Anti-Semitism rejects Jews as equal members of the human race; anti-Zionism rejects Israel as an equal member in the family of nations.

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Kimimela-PRO ISRAEL AND PROUD

According to the US, europe, the UN, australia and just about any other non arab state you can think of then yes ... Israel competes in the olympics and other such events...

according to the likes of syria, levanon, iran, iraq ( i think jordan and egypt reconise isreal since they have peace agreements with it ) who gave birth to parties like Hamas, Fatah , Hizbollah etc then israel doesnt exist...

it just shows their attitude and mentality - if they had it thier way - israel wouldnt exist for real and neither would any jews ...

I think its sick that they brainwash their kids this way and that they dont recognise and abide by the laws that so many other countries do... its like - they want things their way only - they dont want to integrate or comprimise at all..

and then they have the cheek to complain that israel is the evil one!!

ungluck

Well, those Arab states don't list it. For the countries in the world that actually matter, Israel is a legitimate state.

JME

too legit to quit

Kevin S

Well Syria banned teaching Hebrew and Yeshiva schools way before Israel was ever created. Syria was against a Palestinian state before Israel was created. King Faisal and the Hashemites of transjordan believed the people of western Palestine should be under their rule.

tambovi

Israel was created by th decision of the United Nations in 1948,so its legitimacy should not even be discussed.The results of the voting were the following:

Adopted at the 128th plenary meeting:

In favour: 33

Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussian S.S.R., Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxemburg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukrainian S.S.R., Union of South Africa, U.S.A., U.S.S.R., Uruguay, Venezuela.

Against: 13

Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.

Abstained: 10

Argentina, Chile, China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico, United Kingdom, Yugoslavia.

What makes your Syrian girlĀ´s statement especially amusing is that Syria was created ALSO by the decision of the UN,only two years prior to the creation of Israel.

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History of the legitimate formation of Israel: http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/PDF/BigLies.pdf

Warren S

There is no question according to international law that the State of Israel is a legitimate country.
It was voted into existence by the United Nations and has been recognized by a great majority of the world's countries.
Those who claim otherwise are not citing facts but are repeating untrue propaganda.

Alan M

Dear Sunita

Great. I love the way you put it. Of course Israel is legitimate. Hamas is not. Not only does the world agree but even the man in the Moon. !Only a fool would differ.

:Sheila:

Yes it was given to the Jews by the UN in 1948.

Please report any inappropriate answers that you see-- we need to discourage hate.

Miko you do not see the whole picture. I urge you to keep educating yourself. Israel does not aim to kill civilians. Yes, there are TRAGIC civilian deaths when Israel is attacking terrorists who are shooting rockets into Israel. And Obama will never recognize Hamas, except in your dreams! Hamas is an internationally known terrorist organization, PERIOD.

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