Is this ex UK Ambassador right when he says Israel has no right to exist?

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bbarr12

Yes he is right.There are however two problems.
Firstly those born in Israel are not at fault.They have a right to live where they were born.This would would have to be worked out in a flexible way,bearing in mind the Palestinians right of return.An anolgy I would give is - a child born to a rape victim cannot be punished for his/her rapist fathers crime.
Seondly-those settlers who have recently emigrated to Israel to live on Palestinian land,should be sent back.Assuming they genuinely believe they have rights to the land,then ignorance is no defence in a court of law.
And the zionist leaders and activists including the spokespersons should be put on trial at the international court of law.The Palestinians would have to be compensated,with the US paying a large proportion of it.

Please punctuate properly folks.

Yes, he is right.

Oh, and is it a little funny, that the "Chosen People" have NO OIL under their "Promised Land"?

Citizen for a Just Peace

Yes,this "country" revealed it's homicidal,wolf-like character even before it's misbegotten birth when it turned on it's original sponsors and began attacking British administrators,what to speak of the murder of the UN mediator. They have always been homicidal and that will never change; it is a bloodthirsty regime and has no place in the world.

Steph

Put it this way, The Jews claim that Israel is given to them by God, and they are the original inhabitants of that land.
Jews migrated there 4000 years ago when Moses took his people out of egypt, but when they went there it was not empty, arabs had been living there for already significant periods of time.

Their second claim is that Jews are all decendants of Abraham and thus the chosen people to live in the land that god has given them.

Abraham was a Persian who lived in what is now Iraq, and as with all religions christianity, judaism or Islam, don't be fooled by images in Churches for example the virgin mary being blonde and blue eyes, they were all arabs, thus you cannot attempt to seperate the arabs and the jews, as they share the same herritage.

60 years ago after the war in which many Palestinians just like everywhere in the world helped the jews escape prosecution from the Nazi regime, Israel decided to expand to its current size (and is still expanding) and is now 1400% larger than it was, and whilst expanding believed in an ethnic cleansing programme, where if you are not a jew, you cannot live in the new Israel (formely Palestine) and the people were evicted from their homes, of killed while it was bulldosed. Since the begining of Israels expansion it is believed over 850,000 Palestinians have been murdered by the Israeli ethnic cleansing programme.

And before anyone labels me as a Palestinian, arab, extremist muslim or anti-semite, I am a Christian, British nationality and of French herritage. I have many Jewish friends and live in a prodominantly Jewish area. They share my concern for the actions of Israel and have been consistently at the protests outside the Israeli embassy.

"Israel" is controlled by Zionist lobbies in America, merril lynch etc and in the UK Rothschild, Goldmansachs etc. They massively influence the politics of the US and the UK, and the US and the UK heavily armed and funded Israel at its creation, and continue to do so.

In the western media you will hear Hamas labelled as a terrorist organisation, but in the Middle east, across Asia, in Russia etc, "Israel" is labelled as a Terrorist state, and thats what you have to get your mind around.

Ultimately Israel has no right to exist, but the United Nations agreed there needed to be a homeland for the jews. The manner in which Israel has acted since that orignial resolution was agreed is disgusting.
Israel is in breach of more UN resolutions and International laws than the entire rest of the World combined, and the only reason why it has not yet collapsed, is because the powerful lobbies always make sure the US has their back. Think of Israel not as a seperate country, think of it more as the 51st state of America.

It would be impossible as the Ambassador said, for someone to condone Israel and at the same time condem the aparthide, and general racism. This is why you will see often Israel related to Nazi germany, as shocklingly, their actions are very similar.

Short answer: YES.

Salam Qatanani

YES he is....

there was nothing called israel before 1948...it existed only becuase jewish and U.S decided to,, regardless the original people of the land who were forced to leave just to give enough space for Zionists..

Gorilla Against Zion

I personally believe that Israel HAS a right to exist (on another planet).

moco

I believe they do have a right to exist but not the take over lands of other country like egypt and syria but thats what causes war.

JEWS ARE GREEDY

*freedom*

Yes, he is talking pure truth. And I'm proud that he has the courage to speak his mind honestly about Israel. I agreed with everything he said. It was spot on. Hats off to him!

it started out as a feeling...

1. “Many politicians and media personalities of Australia, USA and UK would sell their mother for Israel! I think it is a sickness. Generally speaking, they condemn Nazism while they embrace Zionism. They know the Zionism is older and worse than Nazism. They cry for sixty year old “European sickness” as holocaust while they are aiding and abetting Israeli holocaust in Palestine without any compunction whatsoever!” and
2. “Idiot News readers, columnists and shock jocks of Australia and USA should be reading these articles first before dancing with Zio-Nazis. I feel sorry for them.

3. They also say;
a. “God gave us this land”.
b. “This holy land is for the Jews only and not for gentiles or goys”. Therefore they have the right to expel non Jews i.e. Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. etc as they have been doing so for the last sixty years with the assistance of the so called Christian USA, UK, Australia, … .
c. “We are the chosen people of God”.
d. “We are the master race …. .”

1. Hamas was created by Israel.
2. Hamas is a lawfully elected sovereign government and NOT a terrorist organisation.
3. Many media reports including The Australian and Sydney Morning Herald below have been reporting the fact that so called “therroristh khamas rockets”(sic) are not the reason behind the recent Israeli massacre continuum in the occupied Palestine.

The real reason is the Israelis believe such false notions as believing in a “MANIFEST DESTINY” and in the last sixty years concocted history and maps of 1947, 2000 and 2008 of Israel are undeniable evidence of the falsity and madness by Israel and their supporters.

What if two white countries say Germany and America disagree because Germany wants to take over the world and in slave everyone non arian.
Would you say that government system has no right to exist? Would it matter that both are white?
It didn't. The world shut it down.
Hamas has no right to exist in a civilized world.
Israel has done more to advance TECHNOLOGY than any other people.
What has Islam given us except shame and disgust.
Had the Pals not turned on Jordan Israel would be smaller and wouldn't have an enemy for a neighbor.
If so would you then say she doesn't deserve to live?
This guy is just another idiot looking for attention. Or maybe votes.
At any rate England needs to clean up it's own immigration disaster and not advise the world.

Fatima

England has no right to exist either; the land was stolen by a German tribe.

ridiculous. who even asks such a question? is it ever asked about another country? no, it's not.

israel exists and always will. do you see what's happening to hamas? that's what will happen to anyone who thinks israel shouldn't exist. don't say you weren't warned.

internet tuff girl

I think his exact quote was "Jooooooooooooooz!" and no he is wrong.

porquemoi

No. The man is a traitor to all humanity.

shalinan

Absolutely wrong.

As I understand, Israel or whatever it was called at time, the land of Jews was there even before Christians & Muslims came into existance. Out of this land of Jews were born the two major faiths of today. The Jews were ousted and lost their native land for a long duration. Thus if they were given a part of that land to settle, there is nothing wrong in it.
If one reads the statement of Jihadi leaders today, one will find that their goal is to establish an entirely Islamic world. With such goals in play, if the fundamentalists oppose the very existance of Israel and win, a day will come when same strategty would be applied on other faiths too. I hope Arabs would accept the existance of Israel and Israel will stop any expansionist programme to bring peace in the middle east.

Shay p

No I don't think he is right, I do I think he doesn't have a right to exist.

He is more than slightly flawed.

Craig Murray is the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan during 2002-2004. He was fired from his post by the Foreign Office, because of his personal indiscretion.

His new wife.
http://www.britishtheatreguide.info/reviews/bellydancer-rev.htm

Facile Princeps

His views are not unusual for some one who was employed by the foreign office one of the requirements for anyone wishing to join the diplomatic corp is that you must be pro Arab

Tyreeisme!

no he is wrong. Israel is the only Jewish nation , it has a right to exist

Arieh

That was for the Uzbekistanies benefit. No one elses.

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