Is this fair?

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Duke of Tudor

The best way you can do is to convert to Judaism. Please note that every child born from a Jewish mother will be forever Jewish according to Halakha (Jewish Law).

riviva

"When we talk politics with Arabs in Israel, they say, 'My grandfather used to live in Tel Aviv, and now it's owned by Jewish people -- we want to come back,'" he says. "I respond, 'My parents came from Iran and Tunisia, but nobody is going to give our property back to us. It's all been confiscated . . . We have this little sandbox we call Israel. We give our hearts and lives to make it a proud country. Every one serves in the Israeli Defense Force in order for Israel to survive. You have half of the globe. What the f* do you want from us? Go live in Saudi Arabia.'"
-Kobi Shimoni

Please use your brain cells. The point I was making is: That's life. Tough stuff happens. And you know what? Your position is pretty good. So chin up already.

goochie

it is fair, or else anyone with any connection to israel would get a passport. if you dont live there and you werent born there, how can you claim your kids are citizens? i see your beef, but that rule makes perfect sense.

I have family that came from Iran, and they can trace their heritage back, oooh... 2000 years. Is anyone going to give them an Iranian passport? No. I don't think so.

Chinese immigrants can't have dual citizenship. Saudi nationals have to be Muslim in order to get jobs. What the hell are you going on about?

Why the hell should your children get an Israeli passport if you are neither from Israel nor live in Israel? Because it makes your traveling a little bit easier? I suppose you could try to make that point. Won't fly, though.

'They won't be able to live in the town our family has always lived in' - I beg to differ. Your family has not always lived there. Do you live there? No. I rest my case.

It has nothing to do with you not being Jewish and everything to do with you not living in Israel. Please shut up and leave the citizenship for the Jews who NEED it to avoid persecution in their countries of origin.

Isabel D

Oh my goodness, did you know that my family is from Tehran and I cannot get an Iranian passport because I am not MUSLIM?

SO UNFAIR!!!!!!!!

Geodal

No it is not fair, many things in life are not. Of course if you choose to live in Israel and have your children there your children will have Israeli passports.

subxerorock

They could, it would just take longer to gain citizenship. Also, if you live in Acre, and have your children there, they will have Israeli citizenship, no?

~KARI~

Sorry, but I think it's totally FAIR! Unless you plan on moving your family (ie: you and your children) to actually live in Isreal... there is NO reason why your children need to be legal citizens!

RÐµdisca

Holly, if it was fair, I'd have passports from a dozen countries. (I can trace my family tree about 300 years past yours.) But as it happens, I have only one and I am happy with it.
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EDITED to John E: A GREEK lady complained about her homes being stolen? She should be the one to talk! In 1829 Grecofascists stole Yunanistanian land and drove millions of Yunanistanians from their homes. A century later, they even attacked Turkey, trying to steal homes there. There had never been a country called "Greece" before 1829, but there sure was a Yunanistan. She and her so-called "people" (who are all barbarian invaders from Slavic lands, anyway) live on stolen land, too. Yunanistanians were the REAL Greeks, and Grecofascists genocided them, so now there are no Yunanistanians left. It's a tragedy. And that "Greek lady" of yours, if she exists, is a big fat hypocrite.

*sarcasm alert*

Mr. X

have them convert to judaism, then they can go.

if you would have stayed in israel, if your kids were born there, they could stay. your family chose to leave, which was their choice, but there are always consequences to making choices.

"They won't be able to live in the town our family has always lived in, because, when it boils down to it, I'm not Jewish."

no, they won't be able to live there because your family chose to leave israel and move to another country. if you would have stayed, they would be welcome to live there, whatever their religion.

"In England, everyone is equal (in regards to the law), there is absolutely no distinction between me and any other Brit, even one who's naturalised, even one with no English blood...
Can you say the same of Israel? "

absolutely. israel has a constitution with civil rights guaranteed for all, regardless of religion, gender, sexual orientation, race, etc.

"Of course there IS jobs, but it's so discriminatory I'd make far more money in Britain."

well there you go then. you are not in israel because you want to make more money. that's what you can tell your kids.

jdriven

My father this , my family that, Where are you. If you want to give the land to your children take them there and make them citizens. Otherwise accept that you are British and stop trying to claim land you have no real attachment to.
When was the last time you saw this land if ever?
This is like me saying I should own a farm in Georgia because the white man moved my people forcibly to Oklahoma.

millz

I think that's 100% unfair because i'm palestinen and i would hate for that to happen to me. The proplem is not that they wount let you in the proplem is that they have no heart. These people like to hite but they think that the palestinen are not going to hit back.

Ivri Anokhi

Isreali citizenship was SO important to you that you left Israel??

I think you voted with your feet, and in so doing have burned your bridges.

Also, I have read at least two answers here that are outright lies. Guess who they champion (the Arabs) and who they badmouth (the Jews). No surprises here.

Sorry.

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Pazit.

After reading your long and grammatically bothersome edits, I've come to the conclusion that you really have no idea what goes on in Israel - especially in the "Arabs can only serve burgers and clean floors."

Funny, last time I checked there were Arabs in the Knesset. Sounds like you're confusing Israel with another part of the Middle East.

Also, to answer your original question - it's absolutely fair. You neither live in Israel nor work in Israel, and therefore shouldn't even have an Israeli passport.

And it's not "your" land. You live in England, ergo, "your" land is in England.

hamarker

there is a difference between citizenship by heritage and citizenship by other means.

israel just like every other state allows you to pass ur citizenship one time!! check and u'll see what i mean even in britain u can't pass it to ur grandchildren, the reason jews can pass it 2 times is because they are jews - and israel when it was founded - had only 1 main promise to the jews of the world - the promise was to be a shelter for all jews. that's why they can pass it more then once, anyways if you are jewish you don't need to pass it - you just have to prove you are jewish and you get it - so the formality of passing it is really unnessecary.
i have an idea for u, if u want to give the citizenship to ur children u can do what u'd do in england/uk u can come live here for 3-5 years and then ask for them to get citizenship, just like in the uk if ur mother has citizenship by heritage u can't get a citizenship unless ur mother goes to live there for 3-5 years or so.

i hope i helped - btw if it were possible as u say 2 times than i could get several european passports. but i can't :(

edit: you are very very much mistaken about the citizenship ask any imigration attorney. i think you should do some research.
if you want I can prove it to you

no problem - just a minute

http://www.britishhighcommission.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1062156227562
"
Children Born Abroad to British Citizens by Descent
If you are a British citizen by descent, or your husband or your wife is a British citizen by descent, but neither of you is a citizen otherwise than by descent, your child born outside the United Kingdom will not be a British citizen at birth (unless you are, or your husband or your wife is, a British citizen in one of the types of service listed in paragraph 11). But your child will have an entitlement to be registered at the Home Office as a British citizen in certain circumstances. These are explained in paragraphs 7 to 10."

descent = means heritage

:) like i said i'd be the first to get a passport to europe if i could by heritage.

edit: about the religious clause -... it's not about religious...
so i guess you are also mistaken in this too.
the natzis didn't ask you if you were religious or not, it was enough for them to know u as a jew, the same goes for various other hate groups which do ancestrial checks on jews... so there is a reason for this - I can gaurentee you that if there was world peace and jews didn't have to worry about anti-semitism than the laws would change - in israel today you don't have to be religious to get citizenship u just have to prove u are a jew, and of course there are other ways to naturalize(there are 4 ways if not more) -

i already told u if you stay here u for a couple years u can ask a citizenship 4 ur kids.

yeah listen - about the death to arabs that's just one football group's fans out of a hundreds of football groups(beytar yerusalayim- that's the groups name - and the team have been fined and their fans have been warned and they have been excluded from games for this behavior- I guess some ppl in israel are filled with hate, but they are not the majority - and they certainly don't influence any1 here - most ppl want to exclude them from society as well as from football games because of how they behave)

btw this beytar yerushalayim is going against bney sachnin which is an arab-israeli football team in the next next weekend, and the team who wins will be on the way to the cup holder... so it should be interesting because bney sachnin are really good players and beytar has good players too.

about the underfunding of schools - I don't know frankly u can check it on the ministry of education - the israeli-arabs that learn in my college have good grades, and they get to start college 3 years earlier then israelis. so they get degrees much faster. and i know they succeed in universities and other colleges.

but you are right on the fact that there is still a a lot of cultural differance between israelis and arab-israelis.

edit: about what you said that judaism is a religion i already told u the reason why israel accepts all jews - even not religious jews - read what i wrote about the ancestry tree and the hate groups and natzis

about the WB - the arabs in the WB are not israeli citizens.

about the israeli-arab celebrities - there are many, walid badir, magadla, zoher bahalul, salim tuama, muhamad bachri,

about what you said about the voting - what do you want israel to do to let sderot and other cities get bombed-I promise u that israel doesn't want this. no country wants to be bombed.
i already told you there is a discrimination to the WB and GAZA.
anyways I'm not saying israel is perfect. no country is. but it is more fair then u think. and anyways I didn't tell you to move here I just said u can get a passport for ur kids if u live here for a couple of years. why are u so mad at me? I only tried to help you.

edit: and about the religious - I already told u the reason - if natzis could kill u just because u have "jewish blood" even if u were not religious - than israel has to be open for all jews even those not religious I think that's obvious.

yes you are correct on this i told you already that it's not a perfect country - I agree with you there are many Israelis and Israeli-arabs are biased against each other and many are not! I had an Israeli-arab boss in a lowtech company, I have met many Israeli-arab lawyers, and I can assure you they study and learn and the more time goes by ppl are more open on both sides, but it takes time and peace will only make this time become shorter.

edit: anyways I agree and disagree with you on certain points and i too think there is a long way to go, but every country has some problems to some extant we as a world advance together and fix them the future is bright.

JoJo

That is the sad fact of todayâ€™s world. I myself do not see what it matters, but I do not make the laws. I wish you luck with this.

NONAME

there is farms and ranches going to bushes because the kids didn't want to farm. but the grandkids can always come back to the land.
course they never moved away very far. Just to the city.

NYC Chutzpah

You are one of the problems of creating a viable state for your people. Instead of staying there and helping to build your country you leave and live your life elswhere while expecting others to do the work needed.

Ana

I know what you mean. It's really unfair, is there anything we can do?

Emily

that isn't fair

John E

Hey Holy I know how you feel.
I met a Greek lady that the Jews back in the 60ties took her two lovely homes in Jerusalem all of her belongings, everything.
She had all the deeds and legal documents of these two houses but the Zionists threatened to kill her and her two children if she wouldn't leave Israel.
She didn't have the money to go to some International court so these two houses were clearly stolen from her by our israeli friends.
Believe me when I say that everybody around the world is on the palestinian side. Don't believe what the jew-owned press says. This is a war that you've won.

pjswifey

No, that is not fair! Maybe you should get in touch with an immigration attorney to see if there is any kind of loophole!

AkT

thats life! just like how EVERYONE needs a visa to come to USA but whiteys dont need a visa to go to any other country in the world? what the ****?

Maya

It is indeed a society run by religious fanatics. If you desirous of preserving your ethnic heritage I heartily recommend New York State as a vastly healthier environment for your people.

Israel is a democracy didn't you know

Freedom F

What does fair have to do with it? Palestine is under occupation, and millions of people are suffering everyday; and your concern is that your children get an israeli passport?

Your post strikes me as one that is particularly selfish and ignorant.

Zion is crumbling, and one day soon your children will have the freedom to travel all over Palestine.

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