Israel: Jews, Zionists, Palestinians...Is Israel..?

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Dawn

Actually no!
I wonder why did the jews wait until 1948 to ask for "their" land back, the land of Falastin is for the Palestinians since ever, they came to it over the British-American war machine and really stole it, I invite all of you to take a look through this website and see the truth:

A Huge Theft of the 20th Century
http://sites.google.com/site/falastinel7ora/a-huge-theft-of-the-20th-century

Arieh

If the Torah commands what you say then where did the phrase "the promised land" come from? There are so many mentions of this land being given by G-d to the Jews in the Torah that it amazes me that you would disseminate a falseness like this (unless of course you never read the Torah).

You are right in that Israel is a Jewish state in name only (except in Jerusalem). I like having a separation of church and state and not having religion as a powerful influence in government's policies. For the most part, Israel is a secular nation.

The Jews do not kill in the name of religion. (Although it might be a useful tool for those religious soldiers serving in the IDF for motivational purposes.) It is the Muslims who proclaim "kill the infidel", not the Jews.

Jim E

No sorry your mistaken. I'm a zionist and a jew. And i for one am not claiming it to be my land. I'm putting it down as a factual statement.

The First Dragon

Nobody decent shoots anybody for "claiming" the land is theirs. You shoot people who are trying to kill you. If somebody claims your land is his, you settle it in court.
I guess Hamas doesn't come into the "decent" category. They shoot people just for living in Israel. They know in their hearts that they could not win in a court of justice.
Israel shoots in self-defense, to deter the attacks from Gaza.
I am aware that some Hasidic Jews do not agree with the idea of Israel as a Zionist state. They are entitled to their opinion and they are entitled to persuade others. They are not hurting anybody. But they are a minority. Similarly, Christians have some denominations whose members will not join the military or even the police force. They are entitled to their beliefs. But they are a minority.
Israel, like the US, is a free country where you can express your opinions.
One horror of any war is that innocent bystanders are killed too. Hamas targets Israeli children on purpose, in preference to engaging the military. Israel targets military sites, but Hamas is known to place civilians around their military sites, or place their guns in the middle of civilian locations. Hamas is responsible for those deaths, because they put those civilians in harm's way on purpose.
Okay, I don't doubt that some Hamas members are decent people; but Hamas as a whole does bear responsibility for these actions. Same with Fatah; I expect you know better than I do the kind of violence that takes place within Gaza between these two factions.

Mobius

The purpose of establishing a state with a Jewish majority is to provide a safe haven for Jews, This is because history has shown that Jews have been persecuted as a minority just about everywhere. To "live amongst the people of all nations" is a nice concept, but sorry, been there, done that. The idea of a Jewish majority is not a racist one, it is a response to anti-Jewish racism.

Why don't YOU "live amongst the people of all nations"?

And why don't you want to acknowledge that the Arabs started the violence against the Jews in 1920?

Shay p

OK, let me use another source..

WHAT THE QUR'AN REALLY SAYS

by Shaykh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi
THE QUR'AN SAYS THAT ALLAH GAVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL TO THE JEWS
AND WILL RESTORE THEM TO IT AT THE END OF DAYS

The Qur'an recognizes the Land of Israel as the heritage of the Jews and it explains that, before the Last Judgment, Jews will return to dwell there. This prophecy has already been fulfilled.

MUSLIMS MUST RECOGNIZE THE STATE OF ISRAEL AS A JEWISH STATE

Is there any fundamental reason which prohibits Muslims from recognizing Israel as a friendly State?

I realize that a negative answer to the above question is taken for granted by popular opinion. My approach, however, is not based on popular opinion or the current political situation, but on a theological analysis of authentic Islamic sources.

Viewing the Jewish return to Israel as a Western invasion and Zionists as recent colonizers is new. It has no basis in authentic Islamic faith. According to the Qur'an, no person, people or religious community can claim a permanent right of possession over any territory. The Earth belongs exclusively to God, and He is free to entrust sovereignty over land to whomever He likes for whatever time period that He chooses.

"Say: 'O God, King of the kingdom (1), Thou givest the kingdom to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off the kingdom from whom Thou pleasest; Thou endowest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: all the best is in Thy hand. Verily, Thou hast power over all things.'"(2) [Qur'an 3:26]

From the above Qur'anic verse we deduce a basic principle of the Monotheistic philosophy of history: God chooses as He likes in the relationship between peoples and countries. Sometimes He gives a land to a people, and sometimes He takes His possession back and gives it to another people.

In general, we can say that He gives as a reward for faithfulness and takes back as a punishment for wickedness, but this rule does not permit us to say that God's ways are always plain and clear to our eyes, since His secrets are inaccessible to the human intellect.

Using Islam as a basis for preventing Arabs from recognizing any sovereign right of Jews over the Land of Israel is new. Such beliefs are not found in classical Islamic sources.

Concluding that anti-Zionism is the logical outgrowth of Islamic faith is wrong. This conclusion represents the false transformation of Islam from a religion into a secularized ideology.

Such a false transformation of Islam was in fact made by the late Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin el-Husseini. He is the one person most responsible, both morally and materially, for the repeated Arab defeats in their conflict with the Jews in Israel.

Husseni not only incited Arabs against Jews. He also encouraged the torture and murder of all Arabs who correctly understood that Arab cooperation with Jews was a precious opportunity for the development of the Land of Israel. Husseini ended his woeful life by putting his perverted religious teachings at the service of the evil and pagan Nazis.

After Husseini came Jamal al-Din 'Abd al-Nasser. Nasser based his policy on Pan-Arabism, hatred and contempt for Jews, and an alliance with the atheistic Soviet Union. Nasser's terrible choices were critical factors in maintaining Arab backwardness. Fortunately, most of Nasser's mistakes were afterward corrected by the martyr Anwar Sadat. (3)

After the defeat of Nasserianism, Islamic fundamentalist movements made anti-Zionism the primary feature of their propaganda. They presented the negation of any Jewish rights to the Land of Israel as rooted in authentic Islam and derived from authentic Islamic religious principles
http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html

You don't know the Torah, that's plain to see.
Israel is a secular democracy. Something you wouldn't understand. That too made plain by showing your family as being split and mixed up as you are.
When the church or religion tries to be the government they always fail.
Islam is no different. If the Muslims could embrace secularism in their government more people would lead happy lives.
If suicidal murdering Muslims were jailed by peace loving Muslims there would be longer life spans
Islam will not stay in the Mosque where it belongs and it won't police it's own. This makes it the greatest atrocity the world has seen including Fascism and Communism.
The worst since Rome ruled the world through the Catholic Church.
Even Pagans have more dignity.

Βασιλική

I love Israel the way it is.

Chedvah

Oh this is very interesting.

The Nazis told us to go back to Palestine (Israel).
And now the Arabs are telling us to get out of Palestine (Israel).

Where the f#*& are we supposed to live, huh?

No matter where we go or where we live everyone hates us.
The whole reason for having a Jewish state in Israel is so that we can have a place to go if the countries that we live in decide to get rid of us.

We aren't asking for much, it's not like we are asking for the whole Middle East for G-d sakes!
All we want is a small piece of land that is about the size of New Jersey.

And another thing, there are people of other religions living in Israel.
There are Christians, Druses, Samaritans, Muslims, etc. Do Israelis go around killing these people? No. Only the ones that are sending in suicide bombers so that they can kill as many so called "infidels" as possible so that they can go to eternal paradise.

As for those people who protest against the state of Israel. They don't know what the hell to stand for. If it's a cool thing they stand for that particular side but if it's not then they won't.

✡I LOVE THE ZIONIST ENTITY✡

ANI LO YODEA MAZE PALESTINE ACHIM!!!!

Shahood: Lebanese Girl <3

salam sister. do you mean palestine? cu im quite confused when people say : israel.....

and no its suppopsoed to be the palestenians!!!! the torah tells the jews they must kil and all that stuff but truely they wrote it by hand to say that..

LOOOOOONNG LUVEPALESTINE!!!!

Kevin S

http://www.arabsforisrael.com/

Israel is a zionist state, what is the problem? Jewish is an ethnicity, just like Yahoodi. Judaism is a group of people who follow mosaic laws, which btw muslims have to follow too but don't. Where are your tzitzi and tfillin?

THE TRUTH IS HOLY

The Torah says the exact opposite of what you claim. Judaism a/k/a Zionism is the belief that G-D Gave this land to His People. You should stick to the truth because The Truth Is Holy.

Teresa (SFECU) -†- pray4revival

You are incorrect as are the the clergy and rabbis who sit comfortably in their safe homes in the U.S., Europe, and elsewhere and criticize those who defend the "promised land".

This is the prophecy that states one day, the Jews will return to the land of their forefathers and the Nation of Israel. Today, more Jews live in Israel than anywhere else in the world, and many foreign workers are employed in the country.

Isaiah 61: (3) - To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified. (4) And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations. (5) And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien [shall be] your plowmen and your vinedressers.

This is the prophecy that states that the Nation of Israel will be established in one day and it was in fact established at 4 p.m. on the afternoon of May 14, 1948.

Isaiah 66:8 - "Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children."

Although it doesn't mean anything to the Jewish people Jesus even prophesied on this issue as well, offering the parable of the fig tree, which is Israel, and how it would return and blossom.

Mat 24:32 - Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:

And if you don't believe what the Old and New Testament say, here's what your own book says.

THE QUR'AN SAYS:

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

Lupines supports GEERT WILDERS

Yes, it is a Jewish state, G-d commanded us to create one. The Israeli flag is a prayer shawl and the national anthem HaTikvah gives hope to be a FREE people in our own land according to G-d's Promise. We do not go by naysayers in the group we are a collective society ruled by majority opinion and every free society is supposed to be like that.

So what' s up with the politicians in your family, why you bring that up? Does politics mean that a democratic election just determines who the top two militant groups are so they can fight it out over Gaza or what? Because that is not democracy according to the civilized Western World. You guys need all your weapons taken away to keep everyone in line, cause that behavior 2007 Hamas-Fatah and the rest of the militants was ridiculous. Look at this example the infighting over the two top militant groups. They use a Red Crescent building and roof of Al Quds hospital and a third civilian building gets hit by crossfire injuring a man. There should be no complaint over what Israel does in Gaza when you guys obviously are out of control over there and its seeping over the borders. Someone has to clean up that militant mess over there and act like civilized human beings!!!

Al Quds, Red Crescent, Civilians injured by crossfighting
"In another attack, a Palestinian civilian was wounded when he was inside the house of Reem Khalil al-Souri, 28, near al-Quds Hospital in Tal al-Hawa neighborhood in the southwest of Gaza City. In her testimony al-Souri stated:“At approximately 15:30 on Wednesday, 13 June 2007, many militants deployed inside the headquarters of the Preventive Security Service, and some of them took position on the second and third roof of the building of Palestine Red Crescent Society opposite to our building, where I live on the first floor. An intense exchange of fire erupted between militants of Fatah movement and those of Hamas. We also heard sounds of explosions.On the following day morning, the fighting escalated and consequently, we were not able to move inside the house. We were 3 families comprised of 14 individuals, including 5children. We all stayed in the southern part of the house, which was the most secure.Later, gunshots hit the house. We could hear glass of windows being broken and voicesof militants. As a result of the gunfire, electricity was cut off. A few hours later, the fighting further escalated and we realized that armed clashes were taking place near our building. Militants from Hamas were deployed near our building and neighboring buildings, firing at members of the Preventive Security Forces positioned atop of al-Quds Hospital. At approximately 09:20, Sameer Ibrahim al-Jilda, 48, was wounded by a gunshot to the left leg inside our house. We called a doctor and woman who has some experience in first medical aid, who live in our buildings, and they offered him first medical aid. We called for ambulances, but ambulances were not able to reach the area. We told one of the militants that we needed an ambulance to evacuate the wounded man, but he told us to offer him first medical aid. The situation became more dangerous, and the part of the house in which we were sheltering was no longer safe. The fighting continued until12:30. It ended with Hamas’ takeover of the headquarters of the Preventive Security Service. We then evacuated the wounded man in a civilian car to the Arab National lHospital in the east of Gaza City.”

http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/Reports/English/pdf_spec/Gaza%20Conflict%20-%20Eng%209%20october..pdf

Fabulous.

All I can say is..
LONG LIVE PALESTINE!!

JayJay

I was about to ask a question about the same subject !!
what's the thing that these Jews saw but the other israelis failed to see ! ( massacres, war crimes,that the Israelis are doing now what has been done b4 to the jews maybe?)

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