Jews: does the talmud really contain offensive content against christians?

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Shyster Rich ex-Jew

I am afraid all of those things the Jewish Talmud are 100% true.
No you do not need to be a lawyer to be able to understand the hatred that these passages hide within them.
That was one of the reasons why I quit being a Jew myself actually.
I have nothing against the Goys. I actually admire them. I always felt I had to do this, become a Christian believer, I mean.
I would really like one day to explain to you the reason behind that Jewish hate. maybe in another question real soon.

Thomas, this passage refers to a
Jewish revolutionary named Ben Stada or Ben Padira who came from
Egypt, claimed to be a prophet, led his followers to Mount Zion,
and was executed by the Romans, about the time
of Jesus. Jesus tried to condemn the Jews because of it.

Stainless Steel is quiet right too because Celsus, the Greek philosopher who argued with Justin martyr in the 2nd century, and repeated the rabbinical tale that Jesus was the son of a Roman centurion called Panthera or Pantira.

Photo Finnish, here is your Kelhubath (11a-11b): "When a grown-up man has had intercourse with a little girl...,then this is ....nothing (!!!), for when the girl is less than three years old it is as if one puts the finger into the eye, so tears come to the eye again and again, so that's why virginity comes back when that 3 year old grows up (!!!)
It's OK to have sex with 3 year olds because the book says so.
(I still cannot believe this myself people) wow!

As you can see there's nothing but hate in here.

Pheew! people you made me "go back" in some unhappy times of my life.
Please don't do that.
That's the main reason why Judaism need to be taught behind closed doors.

Anyway you made me feel real bad.
That's a period of my life I am trying to forget.

Claymore Thomas III

Could anyone please explain to me these "chapters" of the Talmud?
Let's assume for a second that I am not a moron and I do "understand" ...things.

Sanhedrin 74b
Yebamoth 98a
Yebamoth 49b
Abodah Zarah 17a

and who on earth was Joseph Pandora/Pandira?

Thanks much

Thomas

River Jordan

Daniel Pipes addressed this issue recently,bluntly stating his view that it was time to stop denying it. Among other items,the Talmud alleged that Jesus was the of a whore by a Roman soldier named Pantera. Most of this junk was written around 500 a.d. which is obviously not before the time of Jesus,and in any event there is no denying the circulation in the 10th century of a spurious gospel called the Toldoth jesu,which incorporates most of the Talmudic comments on Jesus. It is available online in a 19th century translation with the pornographic passages in Latin. It was obviously intended to discredit Christianity. It should also be noted that the 10th century was also a period when pogroms first emerged,no doubt a reaction to the Toldoth jesu. That jews are deeply anti-Christian is hardly a secret to scholars; Maimonides is his Letter to Yemen is explicit in his reference to Christ: ..."may his bones be ground to dust." Armenian Orthodox clergy are regularly attacked by yishiva students in Jerusalem and their Crucifixes spate on or torn off. You don't need to go to any neo-nazi skinhead website to find that out; try the BBC Online archive. Jews hate Christians,they've always hated Christians and they always will hate Christians.

Stainless Steel

OK I here to set the record straight.
Talmud-wise there are two kinds of books.
The first kind is the "Lite" version with all the juicy parts carefully removed.
The second kind is the one with all of those things the jews deny their existence.
As I said a few weeks back you must not trust the translated copies.
There's nothing in there.
I was able to trace an online version of a german (yiddish) version and a Russian one.
Every thing you see posted in those sites are 100% authentic stuff.
Do not trust the on-line copies, no-matter how pompous or authorative their writers may sound to your ears.
maybe one day when I am at home I may upload to Yahoo my copies for you to download and and see with your own eyes.
Until then Steel out

Edit: yo! Thomas; The name you are looking for is Pandira and/or Ben Stada and/or Ben Padira
Celsus, the Greek philosopher mentions the name of Centurion Panthera in an argument with Justin so that's why the rabbis mite have picked this up and included it in tamlud.
A Honest Jew mite give you the answers here.

younis q

even not,the behave of jewish is always doubtfully against others , including christians.unless they change dramatically still the answer yes

Local Machine

Yes it is. That's the main reason why the jews are always saying that they don't want the Gentiles reading their books because they're full of hatred against us.
My friends you all know that I do not visit very often here but only in cases where the jews are trying to post false stories.
If you trust The Machine you are doing the right thing.
Funny of how Christians and Muslims speak only of peace, don't you think?
The Machine

Beautiful Sunset

I think this is a very bad question.
Nobody should interfere in anyone's beliefs.
If the jewish people feel that their religion suits them fine, then you don't have to do that.
In order to study religion you need many books and hours and it is not done by reading a couple of on-line sites.
Although I respect and agree with many of you here, on this particular matter I am 100% against you and it is a very bad thing of what you are doing right now.
Please leave religion out of this. The Palestinian lives are not waisted from religion only from fanaticism blindness.
I feel I must apologize to the jews on behalf of some users here.
bye bye

Zeno

Not against Christians but against Christ. yes,many. Plus the above-mentioned Toldoth Jesu.

Let the game begin

yes it does contain very offensive things about jesus and christians.
some of the teachings of the shitty talmud are

# Only Jews are human. [Gentiles] are animals. (Baba Mezia 114a-114b.)9
# For murder, whether of a Cuthean [Gentile] by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty. (Sanhedrin 57a)10
# Even the best of the [Gentiles] should be killed. (Babylonian Talmud)11
# If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there. (Moed Kattan 17a.)
# Gentiles' flesh is as the flesh of asses and whose issue is like the issue of horses.12
# If a heathen [Gentile] hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is hitting God. (Sanhedrin 58b.)13
# If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite [Gentile] gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full. (Baba Kamma 37b.)14
# If a Jew finds an object lost by a heathen [Gentile] it does not have to be returned. (Baba Mezia 24a; Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b.)15
# God will not spare a Jew who 'marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean [Gentile]... (Sanhedrin 76a.)16
# What a Jew obtains by theft from a Cuthean [Gentile] he may keep. (Sanhedrin 57a.)17
# [Gentiles] are outside the protection of the law and God has 'exposed their money to Israel.' (Baba Kamma 37b.)18
# Jews may use lies ('subterfuges') to circumvent a [Gentile]. (Baba Kamma 113a.)19
# All [Gentile] children are animals. (Yebamoth 98a.)20
# [Gentiles] prefer sex with cows. (Abodah Zarah 22a-22b.)21
# The vessels of [Gentiles], do they not impart a worsened flavor to the food cooked in them? (Abodah Zarah 67b.)

Photo Finnish

Yes !!! (after reading all of these posts, most definately, too bad though because I wanted this to be another lie. So it is not. I am very sad. Sad Sad Sad) he he

OK cmon explain to us Claymore's request!
Please-please-please?
I'll give the person who posts 10, no 100 STARS!!!
Also I want Kelhubath (11a-11b) (special request for the ladies ;-)

Oh, yeah and ...I AM A LAWYER, ok? I know my law like the back of my hand.

OK, Jews cut the bullsheet and spill da beans, we are listening. Explain yourselves!
OMG!! I sound like a ....beetch! I deserve your hate. Thumb me down, now!

Just another Greek Guy

We are the Greeks and we like being Greeks.
We have to agree with Beautiful Sunset.
We have nothing against the jew laws and their habits.
We are against the Palestinian oppression from israel only.
We propose peace in the region and we'll all be buddies once again.
We are friends with the Arabs and the jews too, but,
We are with the Arabs in a greater extend because of Palestine.
We say to the Jews: Upgrade your selves and we shall become better friends with you again.

Γειά σου Ελεύθερη Παλαιστίνη

PaperbackWriter JPA

No.

The only place that can be found is on several hateful websites that purport to cite Talmud; anyone who takes the time to check their material against the actual Talmud soon sees they are lying 100%.

It's very strange how fixated on this some people are - while at the same time ignoring the objectively horrendous things said about Jews in the Christian scriptures.

Unknown

No it's not true at all, the Talmud was written thousands of years before the Christian religion even began.

Leibel JPAA

No. There are anti-Semitic sites, neo-Nazi sites and some basic "we hate everyone" sites that say that there is but I can assure as a student of Talmud, it does not.
Jesus and Christianity are of little consequence in Judaism. That is like asking if Buddha is in the Christian Bible. He is not because he is of no consequence to Christianity. Same thing goes with Judaism.

iameJPAJDL

The Talmud doesn't mention Christians at all..There is/was a phony version of the Talmud going around to incite Christians against Jews..

Don't believe it..will give you a link

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

King George

Jews don't recognize Christianity as a religion and as a matter of fact ultra orthodox jews refer to Christians as "Pagans" worshippers.

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In Abhodah Zarah (22a) it says:

"A Jew must not associate himself with gentiles because they are given to the shedding of blood."

Likewise in Iore Dea (153,2):

"An Israelite must not associate himself with the Akum [Christians] because they are given to the shedding of blood."

In the Abhodah Zarah (25b) it says:

"The Rabbis taught: If a Goi joins an Israelite on the road, he [the Jew] should walk on his right side.(44) Rabbi Ismael, the son of Rabbi Jochanan the nephew of Beruka, says: if he carries a sword, let the Jew walk on his right side.(45) If the Goi carries a stick, the Jew should walk on his left side.(46) If he is climbing a hill or descending a steep incline, the Jew must not go in front with the Goi behind, but the Jew must go behind and the Goi in front, nor must he stoop down in front of him for fear the Goi might crack his skull. And if he should ask the Jew how far he is going, he should pretend he is going a long way, as Jacob our Father said to the impious Esau: Until I come to my Lord in Seir (Gen. XXXIII, 14-17), but it adds: Jacob set out for Sukoth."

(44) So that if the Gentile should raise his hand to strike him, the Jew can more quickly ward off the blow with his right hand.
(45) So that the Jew's right hand be nearer to the Gentile's sword, and if he tries to draw it, the Jew can obstruct his right hand.
(46) So that the Jew be nearer to the Gentile's right hand which holds the stick, and so may be able to grasp it quickly with his left hand.

In Orach Chaiim (20,2) it says:

"Do not sell your overcoat (Talith) with the fringes to an Akum, lest he should join up with a Jew on the road and kill him. It is also forbidden to exchange or lend your overcoat with a Gentile, except for a short time and when there is nothing to be feared from him."

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http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter8.htm

I don't how authentic is the site above but it seems interesting to read though

Warren S

No it does not. It was written before Christianity appeared.

plushy_bear

Not true. There are a number of StormFront, KKK, etc. web sites that have mistranslated and just flat out lied.
The Talmud is meant to define the laws that Jews must follow. For example, we are told to keep the Shabbat (Sabbath) holy, but never told HOW. The Talmud tells us how.
You really shouldn't be studying the Talmud until you've had background in Torah; otherwise, it would be like studying advanced law (which is what Talmud is!) without Law 101 and Constitutional Law as prerequisites!

Edit to PhotoFinnish:
Talmud Ketuvot 11b (The citation mentioned is evidently in error. Talmud Yevamot 11b has no relevant passage)

Rav Yehudah said in the name of Rav: A male child who has relations with a female adult causes her to be like one who was injured with a stick... Rava said: This is what was meant - an adult male who has relations with a female child has not done anything because less than this [three years old] is like sticking a finger into an eyeball.

While those unused to these Talmudic discussions might be taken aback by the use of euphemisms, the discussion here relates to the dowry for virgins and non-virgins. A virgin receives a higher dowry. While the tell-tale sign of virginity is the release of blood due to the breaking of the hyman on the wedding night, there are occasions when the hyman has already been broken such as when the woman suffered an injury. The Talmud here adds that a sexual act with a male minor is not considered to be a loss of virginity because one of the participants is not fully active. While the female's hyman may have been broken, she has not engaged in what can be classified as a sexual act (although it is certainly child abuse).

The Talmud continues that a sexual act between a male adult and a female under the age of three is also not considered a loss of virginity (although it is child abuse). Since the girl is too young for her hyman to be broken, she is still considered a virgin.

Nowhere is the Talmud permitting such behavior. Sex outside of a marriage is strictly forbidden (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Ishut 1:4, Hilchot Na'arah Betulah 2:17; Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 26:1, 177:5) as is this obvious case of child abuse. The Talmud is only discussing ex post facto what would happen if such a case arose.

The same usage occurs in the passage in Talmud Avodah Zarah 37a. The Talmud states that at the age of three a girl is capable of participating in a sexual act. However, that act is not permissible. See also Jerusalem Talmud Ketuvot 1:2 (4b).

THIS IS WHY YOU DO NOT READ THE TALMUD WITHOUT COMMENTARY! IT EXPLAINS THE MEANING BEHIND SOME OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE VERY STRANGE RULINGS. However, there are those that read it, take it out of context and without explanation, and then feel free to demonstrate their wonderful lack of knowledge.

here to help

No,just us goy/gentile.

No, it's not true. Anti-semites make up this stuff and then put it on the web claiming it's true. But it's all lies. Read about the Talmud here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud

You'll likely get bored and stop reading after a few sentences. Because the Talmud is not some inflammatory thing with all kinds of bad things about Christians. It's basically a collection of law books, legal codes, discussion of how to solve problems, and guides.

justwondering

The Talmud is a book which contains rabbinical debates, discussions and viewpoint of various rabbis over the ages. Some of these rabbis may have indeed said some unbecoming things of christians. However keep in mind that it was typically the christians imposing regulations on jews in attempts to get them to convert, and not the other way around.

No. Infact the only religions the Talmud even talks about besides Judaism is the ones that you see in the Tanakh(Old Testament)

Christianity didnt even exist when the Talmud was written.

dandyl

not, not at all

allonyoav

Nope- it doesn't. In fact, it doesn't mentio Christianity or Jesus at all. Both are completely irrelevant to us. TheTalmud is about JUDAISM- it talks about Judaism, and considering Judaism has been around for 1500 years befvore Christianity- Christianity is irrelevant to us and not discussed in Jewish holy books at all!

Of course the standard anti-Semitic lies are repeated ad nauseum here, along with the anti-Semites busy multi-nicking to thumb up their answers and thumb down any attempt to point out the truth. standard tactics from them...

Zoom Zoom

The Talmud (like it or not) was written in Babylonia some 300 years before Christianity, that is why it's called Talmud Bavli (Babelonyan Talmud).
You are probobly confusing between the Koran and the Talmud.
I hope this helped you some.

Rabbi Mordechai

Those passages that you are referring to, actually is not talking about Christianity at all.
By the way, there ARE passages int he New Testament that are highly offensive to Jews, calling us devils etc...

kismet

Not true.
The Talmud is a collection of rabbinic discourses on Jewish law.
It deals with issues such as: Marriage, divorce, Kosher Laws, the Sabbath, holidays, fast days, charity, honesty in business; it does not deal with (or discuss) any other religion other than Judaism.
You may find these links useful, as they can give you some thorough info regarding the Talmud:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/van_hyning.html

Mark S, JPAA

No it doesn't. What you "hear" is all from anti-Semitic websites. And I see by the many thumbs down of the truthful answers here that the anti-Semites are quite active at the moment. Must be all the little boys up too late.

Anyway--for the truth about these lies, please see the website below or feel free to e-mail me.

Sea Boy

Wow I am a secular Jew and know the Talmud does not contain the things it is accused of.
What I see is a lot of antisemitism and people pretending they are Jews and obviously not. Many of the links given are Christian links. Jews know the Talmud not Christians. Some people appear by the names they chose to actually show their antisemitism.
It is easier for people to believe the lies than to learn the truth. Plushy Bear JPA gave a great answer and she got 24 thumbs down? IameJPAJ gave you a site that explains and gives you reasons behind the anti-Talmud sites an she got 25 thumbs down?
Why is their antisemitism in this day and age?
To say "Jews hate Christians" is stupid. Jews have been the target of Jewish hate for a long time. Christians have tortured and murdered Jews in the past just for being Jewish. I thought today antisemitism was pretty wiped out but looking at this, that is just not true.
It is so sad.
My family is secular Jewish and this is is just sad. We don't hate anyone and most Jews I know don't either but it looks like a lot of people giving thumbs down for whatever reason, hate Jews.
I bet some of the people who gave thumbs down to the answers from real Jews hate Jews themselves and yet accuse Jews of hating others.
I am really shocked the responses this question brought out in people and some of the hatred on here.

My Daddy owns a Caddie

No talmud doesnt mention christians at all
answer mine?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AvdrLSLRjb4TZpO8bsVZHa7sy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20081017093039AA1webo

shadyshinobi

NO!

Trust me on this, Ok?

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