What do you think of the human rights organisation Bt' Selem?

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Paulie

Found it!

They seem like people trying to do the right thing.

I don't agree with them on everything...but I think that getting out of the West Bank would solve a lot of problems that their website discusses.

These people are real, are you sersious? Plenty of Israelis are involved in the peace process...they live in a democracy where they are allowed the choice. Palestinians don't have that choice because they live under Hamas and Fatah. How long would a pro-Israel rally last in Gaza or the West Bank? Less than two seconds.

Cher JPA

They are left wing of course. However, I found there site was decent in it's information. Probably because they are really there, & really work with the Arabs to represent their interests (including in Israeli courts)...they tended to present just the information skewed in the way someone with an opinion would skew it. They weren't like many far left organizations that present info that's not accurate, slanderous of Israel, & when I researched was basically Arab propoganda as part of the war efforts. So, when I did my efforts at tracking down what was truely going on there, I found them a useful site. Their info often I found was counter to the the stuff that sounded like outrageous lies to me from the others. Since they are so far left, I considered them a decent source when it did.

I do like their work in representing Arabs in Israeli courts. For instance, they helped present cases to get specific locations of the fence moved to quality of life reaons & in much of the cases, the courts agreed with them. They courts said that athough Israel would be safer where it is, for humanitarin & living rights reasons it was better to increase risk to Israel life & move it. (I'm paraphrasing slightly there.)

I did find a couple of things on their sites that weren't seemly that accurate - as in other reliable sources (not israeli or politcal) contradicted it. But overall, they serve a useful need in this whole mess. Israel can't force the Arabs to make peace, but they can have representatives for individuals ones caught up in the mess speaking out too.

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The Truth is Holy
Can you email specifics on this? This would be important to know if true. I saw no comments or evidence of something like that, but it was a couple years ago. I'd want to know if they were perjuring themselves. That would put they off my list of acceptable. (I did find Peace Now does make up stuff - facts & figures - these days, which saddened me a lot.)

Kevin S
I'm seeing the same comment from you too about them lying. Okay, this I'd like to know more about, if anyone can email me.

tlkr_11

They are a bunch of traitors and liars.

THE TRUTH IS HOLY

This group is a very dangerous cult-like organization based in the mid-east as are many terrorist groups. They have been shown to have committed perjury on more than a dozen occasions. Former members of this cuit-like group have been interviewed and have said that the greater cause justifies falsifying evidence and creating fictitious accounts of events for court. I say stay away from them as you would stay away from any hate-group or cult. Thank you for taking the opportunity to point out this frightening "family" (a la Charles Manson). You might have just saved a life or two.

Cavalier Crusaider

The truth is holy (what a misnomer!)
What a liar you are. This group has been vilified because they expose the truth, something you claim to admire, but obviously you don't care about. If anyone is lying, it is whoever has accused them of these things you claim. Thanks for exposing the fact that Zionists like you will lie about all the bad the Israeli's commit, just to justify yourselves.
Liar!

Stainless Steel

These are some good guys, but that's not enough.
At least these folks will skip the War Crime trials against humanity next year.
Good post, thnx
Steel

if they exposed wrongs equally, that would be one thing. but they condemn israel and give gaza a free pass for the same things.

that kind of double standard is, by definition, anti-semitism.

Brynn

Window-dressing,probably set up by Shin Bet to convince the world there are zionists with a streak of humanitarian impulses.

Boomerang

They're being abused by Arabs to serve as another pawn in their fight against Israel, just like the UN's so called "human rights committee" is just a platform to attack Israel.

Kevin S

These are the types of group you will find in Israel. A group against Israel. You will never find such a group in Palestinian territories.

"So, telling the truth and exposing wrong doing is being subversive? Since when has fighting for justice a bad thing?"

Well they admitted to the idea that you should lie if u are fighting a greater cause. With all those lies, what are you really fighting for?

When your sense of justice is as warped as yours.

zion no more

I don't think they do enough. They also make negative comments against Palestinians to try to make them-self look fair. This is total BS. They should tell the truth and fully expose ersatz israel regardless of what may happen to themselves.

Cool Breeze

Probably a government fake like bryn says,if these groups were for real you'd run into these people here and i haven't only blood-curdling hardliners.

Shay p

Fifth column
A fifth column is a group of people who clandestinely undermine a larger group to which it is expected to be loyal, such as a nation.

Oh and a B'Tselem group could not survive in an Arab country, they all would be
E L I M I N A T E D.

rosends

they are a testament to the freedoms afforded to all opinions in israel. while i don't agree with their politics (much like my assessment of amnesty intl) that they exist is an important part of any democracy.

Samsooma The Madruba

Fighting to save the whales is good, lying is a bad thing.
Allah Almighty says, (O ye who believe! If an evil person brings you tidings, verify it, lest ye smite some folk in ignorance and afterward repent of what ye did) (Al-Hujurat 49: 6).
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503546730&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar

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