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What was Israel called before 1948? |
Did it come under Palestine? And how did the decide the borders? Has this happend anywhere else in the world in history? |
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Axle
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British Mandate of Palestine |
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AmericanLuver :)
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it was and IS Palestine. |
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John E
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Hello my friend,
Israel was called The Palestine since the days of the Greek philosopher-historian Herodotus.
It was called so, even during the time the Jewish nomads came from Persia and later on from Egypt.
Officially the true name of Palestine simply is ...Palestine.
It is a name derived from the Ancient and wise Greeks a very long time ago.
The beauty of the Greeks is, among all other things of course, that they used to write down each and every thought they had in their minds.
Do not forget that from the 7 Arts, to physics, geometry, mathematics, medicine, trigonometry, literature, democracy etc. each and every thought is written on some sort of book or notepad.
One of those books is The Herodotus Book. That happened almost 3000 years ago.
That's exactly what you need to to read in order to discover how, why and when the Middle East was called Phoenicia and Palestine.
Please do not trust my words only, do some research and I am sure that you shall agree with me without a doubt.
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ATL PJA Wyldstar (wa-ya-\y)
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If History serves me correctly it was under several names.
Before Israel it was Palestine from the time the Romans defeated the Jews up until 1948 under British Mandate. Before that it was Jewish and before that it was Assyrians, then Jewish again, then Babylonian, Jewish again and then a fight over it with the Goliath's time period and before them the Caninites. After that I am not sure maybe there were a few inbetween I forgot like Persians and Phoenicians.
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mark
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It was called Palestine before the British Mandate. The country was called Palestine by all those who occupied it from the Roman time up to the British occupation.
But some people were thought to deny the real history of Palestine. |
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Bob Joke
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British Mandate of Palestine |
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Zeno
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The earliest documentation is from the respected Greek historian Herodotus,writing circa 500 B.C. He calls the region Palestine and occasionally Syria-Palestine,suggesting the two regions were economically or politically intertwined. Historical Palestine is basically the same area now legally designated as "Israel" and the Palestinian Territories,except that it also included the east bank of what is now Jordan. The region changed hands politically many times between 500 B.C. and 1948; it would ponderous to list the various empires that governed it over so long a period,but the region still retained it's unique character,it's identity and it's name. This is a particularly interesting example of resilience when you consider that it was only during the British Mandate that it's borders were for the first time defined with precise lines of demarcation. Zionists argue that it was up for grabs to the fastest grabber when the Mandate ended in that the region had never been an independent nation. This makes no sense. With as much - or I should say as little - intelligence one could argue that New England is up for grabs,or the Upper Midwest or the Sunbelt. None have ever been independent countries. This is the sole point of legal validity for zionist control of Palestine and if it can serve as a precedent than presumably anybody can "claim" any region on earth that has Never Been A Country In It's Own Right. Palestine deserves it's independence as much now as it did in 1920 or 1948,and if history is an honest guide an independent Palestine would quickly enter into a close alliance with Syria. It should come as no surprise that the Palestinian Resistance is for the most part headquartered in Damascus.
It was called Palestine throughout recorded history until bribery at the UN resulted in the current designation,but it is still called by it's historical name by intelligent people,just as Russia was still called Russia by intelligent people throughout the so-called "Soviet" era. Only diplomats and the media used the official designation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Today the Great Socialist Experiment is gone but Russia remains; so it will be with the Great Zionist Experiment. Someday it too will be gone,swept away by whatever means. But Palestine will remain. |
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αησηумσυѕ ωιтн тнє тяυтн فلسطين
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It has always been Palestine until the US decided to support Israel and pay for every map to write "Israel" rather than "Palestine" |
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X L M T D
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It was, is and will always be called Palestine. I don't recognize anything but Palestine as the name for the Holy Land. |
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zion no more
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Palestine. |
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[ImpaKt]Jr.
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PALESTINE.
Palestine for Palestinians. Nothing less, nothing more. |
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Noor
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you can watch this video, it's worth watching
http://otagomusa.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/al-nakba-palestinian-catastrophe-of-1948/
History of Palestine
and Green Line Israel
by S. Brian Willson
The land that later came to be called Palestine was first inhabited as early as 9,000 years ago. The city of Jericho, a few miles north of the Dead Sea and west of the Jordan River, is reported to be the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world. Canaan (the Biblical name for Palestine) later became inhabited by Semitic tribes from the inner Arabian Peninsula.
The Jebusites, one of the Canaanite tribes, built a settlement 5,000 to 6,000 years ago called Urusalin (Jerusalem), meaning "the city of peace." Peace is still "salaam" in Arabic and "shalom" in Hebrew. Around 2000 BC, another Semitic people, the Hebrews, headed by Abraham, passed through Canaan on their way south. About 1300 BC Hebrew tribes under the leadership of Moses returned from Egypt and engaged in wars with the Canaanite tribes for possession of the land. The Philistines in the south, the Canaanites (Jebusites), Phoenicians, Amorites, and Hittites in the north resisted the Hebrew (Israelite) invasion. Four centuries later, the Israelites, under David, were successful in uniting the Hebrew nation, conquering and substantially absorbing the Canaanites. From this point, Israelites, Philistines, Hittites, and Canaanites mixed races and have subsequently been a racially mixed, Semitic people.
Note: Semitic designates a subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic family of languages including Arabic and Hebrew, among others.
for more
http://www.brianwillson.com/palest_hist.html |
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Shadi
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It has always been Palestine and since ancient times.
Even today is Palestine and no occupation can change that.
The borders of Arabic countries:
For many centuries, Palestine was invaded by the west because of its strategic location. Crusaders failed to take over. But after the defeat of Ottoman state, Imperial powers (France and Britain) divided the Arab lands into small pieces. (French-Lebanon and Syria. Britain-Egypt, Palestine and Jordan). You should notice that Palestine is located in the middle of these lands.
These imperial powers had to make sure that the Arab Muslim nation never rise up again and their plan was:
(1) Planting a foreign body in the middle of Arab land (Palestine)
(2) Set a dictatorship governments in these countries.
Sir Campbell Bannerman, Prime Minister of Britain stated:
“ There are people who control spacious territories teeming with manifest and hidden resources. They dominate the intersections of world routes. Their lands were the cradles of human civilizations and religions. These people have one faith, one language, one history and the same aspirations. No natural barriers can isolate these people from one another ... if, per chance, this nation were to be unified into one state, it would then take the fate of the world into its hands and would separate Europe from the rest of the world . Taking these considerations seriously, a foreign body should be planted in the heart of this nation to prevent the convergence of its wings in such a way that it could exhaust its powers in never-ending wars. It could also serve as a springboard for the West to gain its coveted objects.”
1902 - Sir Campbell Bannerman, Prime Minister of Britain [1905-08]
It all came true after Belfor promised the land to the Jews and therefore established Israeli state in the heart of Arab world. A state which has neither a constitution nor a properly defined borders, so it can steal more land in the future and continue their aperthied regieme against Arabs.
Lord Balfour put it in a confidential memorandum in 1919:
"In Palestine we do not propose to even go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants ... The Four Powers are committed to Zionism."
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Canaan, then Israel, then Kingdom of Judea and Israel, then Palestine, then Judea/Samaria/Galilee, then Palestine again.
The name has changed many times depending on who ruled it. |
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dandyl
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Israel was named Palestine before 1948, , its has not connection to the people who call themselves Palestinians.The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C.E., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what are now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century C.E., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name.Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank. |
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kismet
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Israel was known as the British Mandate, and before that, Palestine.
The Romans changed the name of Israel to Palestine in order to obliterate the connection between the Jewish people and their homeland. |
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Joseph
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Yes it was called Palestine according to Africa, Asia, and the Mid-East but not the West since the British were occupying Palestinian land. |
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Kevin S
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it was an arabic homeland
Who gave me a thumbs up? |
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Chances68
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The British Mandate of Palestine.
Created after WWI when those territories were detached from the crumbling Ottoman Empire. |
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PoliSciFi
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It was known as the British Mandate of Palestine, between 1920-1948. Before that it was part of Ottoman Syria, belonging to parts of the Vilayets of Beirut, Jerusalem and Damascus. The Ottomans did not use the word Palestine as an official territorial designation. |
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Bored Now
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It was part of Palestine. The borders there and throughout the region - and other regions of the world - were drawn very arbitrarily by colonial rulers, in this case the British and the Ottomans before them. By 1948, the borders were drawn by U.N. partition.
Yes, this has happened throughout most of the world during colonial times and as they ended. The U.S. was a bunch of British colonies that banded together against England, much as Jews did in Palestine in the 1940s, and who's to say why New York wound up in the U.S. and Ontario in Canada, or Vermont in the U.S. and Quebec in Canada. Some U.S. states have borders that were arbitrarily drawn by the French, who then sold the land to the U.S.
And yes, there are examples, in additional to the artificially drawn colonial borders from Iraq to most of Africa to southeast Asia, where countries were partitioned. Northern Ireland is an obvious example where a border was drawn between hostile groups of humans having different religions. Or Czechoslovakia splitting into two separate states a couple decades ago. There have been separatist movements all over the world, whether it's Basques wanting their own piece of Spain, Kurds wanting a nation that isn't Turkey or Iraq, or Tibet not wanting to be part of China.
If you mean former colonies changing names, there are countless examples. The map I learned of Africa in the 1960s had a lot of different names by the 1980s, and the names from the 1980s have changed a lot again. |
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swf42
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Palestine..
the gist of the story... after WWII there were quite a number of refugees who had escaped or survived the holocaust (and yes, there was a holocaust) these people needed a place to call their own so, it seems the allies got together and decided they'd take a plot of land from Palestine. not sure if the Palestinian gov't /people agreed to this at the time or if it was an arbitrary decision.
anyway, it doesn't seem quite fair to blame Palestine for being pissed off about this. i hope they come to some sort of peace and can learn to live together. |
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samy n
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thir was no israel mainly before 1948,,,,it was only phalistin under ocupation of england,,,,,it had happened before on usa it self...thir was no usa,,euorop prisoners came and killed red indians the owner of usa and made thir country usa all its citizens came from all over world |
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candylvr1221
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it was called palestine till the jews came and stole it and decided to take all the land and leave palestinians with a tiny piece of crap to live on |
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Gisele
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Under the Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916, it was envisioned that most of Palestine, when freed from Ottoman control, would become an international zone not under direct French or British colonial control. Shortly thereafter, British foreign minister Arthur Balfour issued the controversial Balfour Declaration of 1917, which promised to establish a Jewish state in Palestine in exchange for the Jewish financial support to the British in their war against Ottomans and Germans.
The British-led Egyptian Expeditionary Force, commanded by Edmund Allenby, captured Jerusalem on 9 December 1917 and occupied the whole of the Levant following the defeat of Turkish forces in Palestine at the Battle of Megiddo in September 1918 and the capitulation of Turkey on 31 October.[111]
On 29 November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly, with a two-thirds majority international vote, passed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181), a plan to resolve the Arab-Jewish conflict by partitioning the territory into separate Jewish and Arab states, with the Greater Jerusalem area (encompassing Bethlehem) coming under international control. Jewish leaders (including the Jewish Agency), accepted their portion of the plan, while Palestinian Arab leaders rejected it and refused to negotiate. Neighboring Arab and Muslim states also rejected the partition plan. The Arab community reacted violently after the Arab Higher Committee declared a strike and burned many buildings and shops. |
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The name of the region is Palestine. However, a lot of people here are trying to use the fact that it was called Palestine a long time ago as some kind of implication that the people we call Palestinians today are the descendants of people who lived there in Herodotus' time. First of all, while Herodotus called it Palestine, it had many other names, and Jews were there and had a kingdom, even as Herodotus was calling it by the name the Greeks selected for it--"Palestine." which was derived from the Phonecians, who are not the ancestors of the people we call Palestinian today. Also, guess what historical document pre-dates Herodotus by many hundreds of years--the Bible. So taking Herodotus' term while ignoring the Bible is hypocritical, since most of the people speaking believe in the bible but don't know anything about Herodotus. Second, the Romans began calling it Palestine because they decided to start using that ancient Greek name, since the Romans loved ancient Greece and liberally copies and stole from their culture, art, and mythology. They were trying to obliterate Jewish history and culture and Jews as a people, and replace it with their preferred culture, including terminology. Yet, even then, the residents of Palestine were not the ancestors of today's Palestinians--they were not Arabs, and there were no Muslims. During the Ottoman empire, people could move freely throughout the empire, and Palestine was only one section of the greater state. If you look back at Palestinian leaders' lives, you'll see that they don't have a history that goes back to time immemorial in the area of land we call Palestine, but rather they've got family connections all over what used to be the Ottoman Empire, just like Americans have family all over the United States Yassir Arafat was born and raised in Egypt, for example. Jews did the same--moved all over the borders of the Empire. Nevertheless, the people living in the Palestine region did recognize themselves as a particular distinct group, much as Nebraskans recognize themselves as a distinct group that they're proud to be members of, even though there was no country of Nebraska ever. Following WWI, the various areas of the former ottoman empire wanted their own countries, and such countries were set up by western nations, some with more legitimacy than others--like Kuwait being set up as an oil resource the British could easily have great influence over. The Jews, a minority within the ex-Ottoman empire that had occasionally been attacked and discriminated against, but a majority in many parts of the British Mandate area, wanted their own country. This same logic would be used later when the British gave India its independence, and set up a separate nation of Pakistan (East and West, later to split into Pakistan&Bangladesh). But the surrounding Arab nations didn't want that kind of partition--they wanted the entire region to be Arab controlled. At the same time, they had no problems with kicking all of their Jews out of their newly formed countries. Anyway, the borders were picked by the UN, with a Jewish region and a Palestinian region. In 1948, on the eve of the end of the British Mandate agreement, the Israelis declared independence, and the Arab nations attacked within days, trying to destroy the new nation and make it all Arab. Israel won, and the land they'd gotten became Israel. The land that was supposed to have been Palestine was controlled by Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon. Many Palestinians living in the Israeli-controlled areas fled, or were intimidated into fleeing by Israelis, or were advised to flee by the Arabs; temporarily, till the war was over. When the Israelis unexpectedly won, the Palestinians were stuck in Gaza, the Golan Heights, and the West Bank. Refugee camps were set up there. Their Arab allies refused to let the Palestians leave the camps, but the Palestinians didn't set up a nation in those areas, either, and no one seemed to care about the plight of the Palestinians in those areas. But when, in the 1967 war, Israel captured those lands, NOW it became a problem. Fast forward to today when it's become even more of a problem, and the Palestinian population has grown from perhaps 700,000 to 2.5 million or more. |
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What are today Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza strip, and part of Jordan were called Palestine. They were part of the Ottoman empire until near the end of World War One, and were then occupied by Britain until 1948. An official border was theoretically imposed in the partition plan and theoretically took effect at the moment when Israel became independent in 1948, but several countries immediately crossed the border and attacked Israel, which then crossed the border in the other direction. The de facto border ("green line") from 1948 to 1967 was simply the perimeter of what Israel controlled at the end of the 1948 war, and did not follow the official border that had been specified in the partition plan. |
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Alexgadgetman
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Its called Great Britain...decided they wanted to cARve up Palestine. (without their permission) |
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