When are we going to see a viable Palestinian state?

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kismet

There IS a viable Philistine state. It is called JORDAN.

"Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is only one land, with one history and one and the same fate," Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly was quoted as saying on February 2, 1970.

Accordingly, Abdul Hamid Sharif, Prime Minister of Jordan declared, in 1980, "The Palestinians and Jordanians do not belong to different nationalities. They hold the same Jordanian passports, are Arabs and have the same Jordanian culture."

In other words, Jordan is Palestine. Arab Palestine. There is absolutely no difference between Jordan and Palestine, nor between Jordanians and Palestinians (all actually Arabs).

This fact is also confirmed by other Arabs, Jordanians and 'Palestinans' who were either rulers or scholars.

"There should be a kind of linkage because Jordanians and Palestinians are considered by the PLO as one people," according to Farouk Kaddoumi, then head of the PLO Political Department, who gave the statement to Newsweek on March 14, 1977. Distinguished Arab-American Princeton University historian Philip Hitti testified before the Anglo-American Committee,

"There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history."
According to Arab-American columnist Joseph Farah,
"Palestine has never existed - before or since - as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire, and briefly by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland. There was no language known as Palestinian. There was no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a Palestine governed by the Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc."
These authoritative, honest statements are by Arabs, Jordanians and Palestinians, and absolutely must be taken at their face value and word.
All right, so you're not quite into quotes. How about these tasteful tidbits of historical facts?

* Jews, not Arabs, have lived continuously in the ancient Biblical Promised Land of Israel, especially Judea and Samaria, for 3,700 years. This land was given as a gift by G-d to the Children of Israel (Hebrews, Israelites, Jews) and is so stated in all of the three monotheistic religions' holy books - Old Testament, New Testament and Quran. Faithful followers of Judaism, Christianity and Islam all believe in the same one G-d and therefore must believe the word of their G-d. G-d does not make and break his promises. There is a very valuable lesson to be learned by all his children and faithful followers.
* The current queen of Jordan is an Arab 'Palestinian'.

Clyde N

When Israel does good on its word in 2005 when it ceded the West Bank and Gaza strips to the Palestinians-so why are they still there terrorizing, brutalizing, raping, killing MOSTLY innocent Palestinians that is why the terrorists are a last resort-Palestinians protecting themselves from the Israelis whom continue stealing(NO ENUMERATION) Palestinian land and murdering the Palestinian owners under the guise of looking for Hamas, never mind, none were seen, nor, found-oh, they must have seen the Israelis coming and escaped.This is then used to build buffer zones and more illegal JEWISH only settlements-even the US asked them to stop. Their excuse , NEVER, by the way we need more US tax payer money in loans to kill more Arabs-look the other way when we use Phosphorous bombs on children-they just might be carrying bombs, The TWO terrorist groups-The Likud is the former blood thirsty Jewish Irgun terrorist group, just like the Hmas, their Arab counterpart. What you say , one terrorist group will not deal with the other-go figure. Both are democratically elected.What's the difference.

Shay p

Hillary Rodham Clinton

Secretary of State

Sharm el-Sheik, DC, Egypt

March 2, 2009

SECRETARY CLINTON: Is it possible to see the declaration of a Palestinian state?

QUESTION: In a year.

SECRETARY CLINTON: Within a year?

QUESTION: Yes.

SECRETARY CLINTON: I am a very hopeful person. It would be our hope that there could certainly be progress that was tangible, that positively affected the lives of the Palestinian people, which led to the possibility, the probability, of a viable state.

QUESTION: Thank you. Madame Clinton, the people in this region are pinning a lot of hope on the Obama Administration to engage actively and to help bring about a just solution. Will the U.S. Administration consider engaging with Hamas, the same way you’re reaching out to Iran, at any point? Thank you.

SECRETARY CLINTON: Hamas is not a country. It is an entity that has to understand what the principles for any engagement are not just from the United States. The Quartet – which consists of the United Nations, Russia, the European Union, and the United States – as well as the Arab League are in agreement that there are certain principles that Hamas would have to adopt in order for any of us to engage with Hamas: recognize Israel, renounce violence, and agree to abide by the prior PLO agreements. Now that is not the United States talking. That is the Quartet and the Arab League. Everyone knows what Hamas must do, and it is up to Hamas.

Doesn't sound too promising !!

Crying Poet

Never.

The Masonic plan will not allow it

you can't have a pali state without a unified pali government. right now, with fatah and hamas in a civil war, no state is possible. the ball is entirely in the pali's court, they need to created one government, then they will be able to put a state together. so far, they are not able to do so. it has nothing to do with israel, and everything to do with internal pali politics.

That's because the world stopped studying the bible. It isn't going to happen.

αησηумσυѕ ωιтн тнє тяυтн فلسطين

this is what was said in a hadith:

Abu Hurayra reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The Hour will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Jews hide themselves behind stones and trees and the stones and the trees say, 'O Muslim! This Jew is behind me, so kill him!' With the exception of the thorn-tree which is one of the trees of the Jews."

to answer your question, as a sign of the Day of Judgment, Palestine will be returned.

Ma'akum

As soon as the Americans can pressure the Israelis intro a withdrawal. The price tag for the Pals will be a U.S.-backed government but I think it's worth it to be rid of the Zionists.

michael w

The Palestinians were "generously " given 2 states by their "caring" occupiers The Gaza Strip which they immediately blockaded and later bombed it to ruins killing 1300 civilians (350 children)
The second place was the West Bank where before the Palestinians could unpack their bags was invaded by 280,000 illegal settlers.
Never say Israel do not give anything to the Palestinians ???
Can anyone here deny these facts.?

marry w

The Jewish conclusion in the holy land will be like the last conclusion.
Jews in the past refused to recognize the world wishes and got kicked out of the land 2000 years ago. Here the Jews go at it again.
Jews think the world is the same as 10 years ago.
Jews are the last to know every time. Jews elected hard core right wing government to stand against the wishes of the world.

Mr Natural

Never. The Israeli/American plan is to totally ethnically cleanse the area of its indigenous people. Any other talk is only deceit and slight of hand.

Arieh

'When the Palestinians develop the infrastructure in order to support the 1.5 million refugees living in Arab nations that will be expelled once a "State" is declared. It doesn't look like this is going to happen in foreseeable future.

Lady Lulu (2)

I hate to say this, because there is nothing I would want more than to see this happen. But my answer is that it never will happen. Israel has made darn good and sure of that. So much land has been annexed, and so many settlers have infiltrated the West Bank, and believe me, they will not move them. That coupled with the fact that Israel thwarts their efforts at every turn for the sake of their own 'security', that it makes this impossible. There will never be peace there, mark my words. They will slowly but surely push the Palestinians out. We will see more of Gaza or even worse in the future. Once the Israeli government have killed the majority of Palestinians, they will kick the rest out. I give it 10-20 years before all is said and done.

i_give_great_advice_

the world is waiting to see hamas stop killing innocent people with their suicide bombers and then blaming israel for what hamas does.
there also never was and never wil be palestine on any future world map.

Unknown

When the Palestinian organizations quit rejecting peace agreements just because they want all the land instead of some.

Maya

As soon as the USG forces the izzies out of the Palestinian Territories. Not until. They will not go under any other circumstance and the State of Palestine cannot be a de jure state while it is under occupation.

mama_pajama_1

Israel has been waiting for that day for 60 years. It is long overdue for the time they stopped trying to destroy Israel and learn to live in peace alongside her for the benefit of both peoples.

shalom

edit: in so short a time there are already three thumbs downs to the notion of peace and a viable Palestinian state alongside Israel? this is the kind of attitude that is preventing such from happening..
that even proves the point of my answer!

mick t

When hamas and hezbollah acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, start genuine peace negotiations, and keep to any agreements they make.

✡I LOVE THE ZIONIST ENTITY✡

Never.

Mark my words:NEVER

As its not out of the lack of Israeli effort.

There will be no Palestinian Arab state.

Do I mean "never", you ask? Never is a long time. My intuition does say never, but for the purposes of this official prediction, I'll stick with "for the foreseeable future," say, the next ten or twenty years. I'm saying this regardless of my position on whether or not such a state would be good for Israel (I think it wouldn't); it's my objective assessment.

Am I nuts? After all, the circumstances for its establishment have apparently never been better.

For the past two years both Israel and the U.S., for the first time since Israel's creation, have supported the near-term establishment of a Palestinian state; Bush's original target date was 2005. The international diplomatic "quartet" endorsed a road map to bring it about. Meanwhile, our favorite obstacle to peace has gone to the netherworld, allegedly clearing the way for a new generation of pragmatic Palestinian leadership (right?). Finally, Sharon's busy promoting a unilateral Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and part of Samaria, leaving a vacuum which could presumably be filled by a new Palestinian government.

And here I am, saying there will be no Palestinian state?

Let me explain.

Has anyone else noticed that the Palestinian leadership has virtually stopped talking about a Palestinian state? Googling "Arafat Palestinian state" yields few declarations of support from Arafat since the year 2000. Recall that from 1998 through 2000 the speculation was that Arafat would unilaterally declare an independent state despite Israeli opposition, or else would establish one in negotiations with Israel. Recently, though, mentions of aspirations for statehood have been infrequent and perfunctory. This year, even November 15, anniversary of the impotent 1988 declaration of statehood, usually marked as Palestinian independence day, passed without notice.

Increasingly, Palestinians and their supporters are rejecting territorial partition, talking instead about a "one-state solution". Such a "solution", of course, is a solution only in the same sense as the "Final Solution". Instead of a Jewish state, Israel would become an Arab state with a Jewish minority, or at best a bare majority. It would be the end of Zionism, no matter how you define it.

Meanwhile, though once anathema to all mainstream Israeli leaders, a Palestinian state is now supported by all of Israel's Labor party, by the centrist Shinui party, and by nearly half of the Likud, including Sharon and his senior deputies. A majority of Israelis are apparently in favor. The intelligentsia claim it is the only alternative to Israel losing its Jewish character as part of a "one-state solution" or else becoming an undemocratic "apartheid regime".

What's going on here? Why the sudden turnabout? Six years ago, the Palestinians were threatening to declare statehood and Israel threatened a hostile response; today, Israel and the US are pushing for Palestinian statehood and the Palestinians are lukewarm at best, if not outright opposed!

I have a shockingly simple explanation: The Palestinians believe that their conflict with Israel is a zero-sum game. What's good for Israel is bad for them, by definition. This has always been their attitude, and likely always will be.

By implication, if Israel is willing to agree to a particular plan, it must be against Palestinian interests. At least, the fact that Israel offers a certain set of concessions indicates that it must be possible to extract even more through other means, whether diplomatic pressure or violence. Furthermore, accepting the Israeli offer, rather than continuing the struggle, would indicate a voluntary decision to forfeit the possibility of wringing further concessions, a conscious betrayal of their dreams. The focus is always on what they are giving up rather than on what they are achieving.

Thus, every time a Palestinian Arab state has been on offer alongside the Jewish state, whether offered by Israel or by an international power, the Palestinians have rejected it. They rejected the 1937-38 partition plan of the Peel Commission and the 1947 partition approved by the U.N., since both would have given the Jews a state too. From 1948-67, rather than agitate for a Palestinian state, the Arabs concentrated on continuing their assault on Israel.

Only after 1967, when Israel had captured all of the original disputed territory, did the Palestinians start calling for statehood, seeing it as a new tactic to fight Israel. Knowing the same, Israel persistently opposed the idea, intending instead to return the territories to Jordan and Egypt. Later, Israel endorsed limited autonomy under Israeli sovereignty; the Palestinians continued to agitate for statehood.

The only apparent deviation from this pattern was the 1993 Oslo Accord, in which the PLO agreed with Israel on a plan of national self-government. But the Palestinians accepted this program only because 1) Arafat made the decision, and he had both clout and credibility; 2) It was not a permanent peace but a temporary truce establishing a temporary authority; and 3) He insisted (in Arabic) that it was the implementation of the PLO's 1974 Plan of Phases, and its eventual aim was the eradication of Israel.

Hence even Arafat could not have accepted Barak's Camp David proposals, no matter how generous Barak had been. Accepting statehood while recognizing Israel, admitting Jewish rights to the Temple Mount, and forfeiting the right of return for "refugees", would have been seen as a betrayal of the Palestinian people and an admission that their aspirations were out of reach, possibly forever. (Certainly, no putative future Palestinian leader can now ever accept the deal Saint Arafat rejected.)

Today, with Israel and the U.S. advocating a Palestinian state, the Palestinians naturally conclude they can do better than accepting it. Israeli leaders explain that a Palestinian state must be established now to solve the demographic problem and ensure Israel's survival; this alone is a reason for the Palestinians not to play along. Israel is effectively telling them that if they hold out longer, they'll get more, since demographics are on their side.

Assume Israel "disengages" from Gaza. The Palestinians can declare a state there, establish a civil society and live normal lives. But they will fear they have implicitly given up the fight for the rest of the territory, including Jerusalem and the refugees, not to mention the rest of Israel. They will feel they could have achieved more had they been patient.

Or they can continue the haphazard "Palestinian Authority", with chaos and internal violence, offering a haven for terrorists - while continuing to pressure Israel through both diplomacy and force. Israel will be forced to continue its anti-terrrorist military raids, which they will portray as legitimate grievances deserving of counterattacks. Remember Fatah's perennial slogan: "Revolution until victory!"

However much Bush and Sharon may want to, they cannot create a Palestinian state. Only the Palestinians can do that. If Israel is opposed, no Palestinian state can survive; if Israel is in favor, the Palestinians will oppose, almost by definition.

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I could suggest that Sharon has endorsed a Palestinian state in order to prevent it from coming into existence. I don't believe that; I think Sharon is sincere. Regardless, my conclusion is clear.

There will be no Palestinian state. Not for the foreseeable future.

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