fleur581
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Let's make this clear .. Jews never owned the Holy Land . They just lived there along with all sorts of people at the time .
And later with christians and muslims .
And when Jews came from everywhere around the world claiming the land which is not theirs they didn't come in peace , did they ? They killed palestinians in cold blood to get their land by force , with America supporting them .
Now , I think that a country that was build on such bloody ethics won't stick around for long .
I hope to live to see it falling apart . It'll be such a scenery !
EDIT :
Your answer to my post simply made me laugh .
Even though I don't have your sense of humor , I'll try to do the same :
"Well, at least you keep your hatred of the Jews out in the open. No cloak and dagger with you, huh? Tell me, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much would you enjoy bathing in the blood of Jews, you worthless pig?"
OK .. that was a sick comment " bathing in the blood of jews " what kind of an animal are you ??
Tell me this .. how come jews lived and flourished in arab countries and islamic empire era , but when they occupied Paelstine they were hated ? Arabs don't use double measures and they hate Jews for killing Arabs , duh !!
By the way , I'm not a worthless pig .. Who are YOU to tell ?
" By "bloody ethics" I'm sure you meant "attacked by bloodthirsty Arabs after the Arabs rejected a legal partition plan for the Land of Israel." Yeah, that sounds about accurate. "
No actually , I meant bloody ethics .
"attacked by bloodthirsty Arabs after the Arabs rejected a legal partition plan for the Land of Israel." now come on !!
Who invaded who here ? Jews invaded Palestine , what legal partition are you taking about ? Your sources ..
" I only imagine you're referring to the War of 1948. Should I give you a history on who attacked who (hint: it was the Arabs). "
You really don't know what you're talking about , why do I even bother ?!! JEWS INVADED PALESTINE for God's sake what did you want arabs to do .. just step aside and watch palestinians get slaughtered by Jews ?
Jews brought this on themselves , they started it .
" Should I also mention the massacres of Jews across the Middle East before, during, and after the war? No, the first part will do. "
What "massacres" are you talking about ? Were you even there ? Did you know that it was the jews who decided to sell out their homeland seeking Israel ?
No massacres happened in that region except of of course for the massacres against palestinians that you wouldn't care about .
" I could go two ways with this. First, I could point out the long, 4000 history of the Jewish Kingdom in the Holy Land before being expelled "
Well , let me correct one error : it wasn't 4000 years , it was much much less .
And you said it yourself .. EXPELLED !!
After Jews there were Persians , then Romans , then finally muslims .
" or second, I can turn your logic around on you and say, "Ok, since Jews never owned the land, neither did the Arabs since they too lived there with "all sorts of people."
No actually , after arabs entered the Holy Land , they ruled it .
Once again , you don't know what you're talking about .
" Now you have to prove to me how your idea makes sense when applied to Jews, but not to Arabs."
Well , when Arabs ruled the Holy Land they didn't slaughter Jews or Christians or any minority , on the contrary , they were all allowed to live there or go on a pilgrimage .
But when Jews rule , they kill muslims ( men , women , children .. you name it ) , they aren't allowed to pray or walk in their own land . Children are bombed in their classrooms . and many more ..
Now , you try to look at yourself in the mirror and say " Israel wasn't built on bloody ethics " .. and tell me how do you sleep at night ?
Note : if you need proof for what I said about Palestinian blood shed , just tell me .
EDIT :
I've always tried to answer those you attack me without using bad names , but the fuuny thing is that they are asking for it .
You called me a lot of things : dumbass , stupid , anti-semite , worthless pig , not worth depating , moron , bloodthirsty savage , mental midget , ..
I called you : an animal , and something else I can't recall
"It's a beautiful day out fleur (which I'm pretty sure is synonymous with "dumbass"), and I'm not sure I even want to waste my time responding to your stupidity. But what the hell?"
I'm not begging for an answer here , this is your question and I'm an answerer so let's show a little respect .
"what do you think the Arabs would do with the Israelis living there? Hand out candy to them? No, they'd slaughter them."
If someone broke into your house , killed your whole family , your wife and your six-year-old son in cold blood and stole all the money you keep in the house .. then brought his friends and his friends' friends and took over your house , won't you hate them ?
And when you manage to call for help and your neighbours came and you're now in control , what would you do to them ? You won't hand out candy to them that's for sure , but since you're civilied you'll call the cops to take them away , but the court will find them not guilt because they bribed the jury . This is exactly what would happen if arabs left israelis fate in the hands of the international justice controlled by the Jewish Lobby .
I'm not saying that they will be slaughtered , they might be forgived like the infidels of Makkah who tortured and slaughtered early muslims , but when muslims took control Muhammed (PBUH) forgived them .
" First, when Israel declared its independence and the Arab savages declared war on it, the Secretary General of the Arab League had this to say about the outcome of the war:
"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades" "
SOURCES .. WHERE ARE THE SOURCES ?
" Second, I will point to an incident at the start of the second "intifada," where two Israeli reservists who had taken a wrong turn in the West Bank had been arrested by Palestinian police. A mob of them stormed the police station, overpowered the police, and literally ripped apart the two Israelis WITH THEIR BARE HANDS "
OK .. you see what Palestinians do because your Jewish-controlled media only lets you see this , but what about Israelis ? You see nothing of what they do .. And why is that ladies and gentlemen ? Because it's media controlled by the Jewish Lobby .
"And we all know the BBC is controlled by the Jews, right?"
Yeah , we all know that !!
" Is that wat you actually want fleur? Would you like to see thousands of those pictures all over Israel, as your comment about hoping to see the day that Israel will fall leads me to believe?"
Actually I see those pictures now , but they are the other way around .
you know the old saying " what goes around comes around " , Israelis did that to palestinians so one day that will happen to Israelis if they were unforunate .
"So again fleur, I ask you, on a scale of 1-10, how much would you enjoy bathing in the blood of Jews?"
Well , if you enjoy bathing in the blood of palestinians then I should enjoy bathing in the blood of jews ( although it's a digusting idea and only a disguting person like yourself would think of it )
" Your idea that Jews "flourished" under Muslim occupation is simply a fairy tale floated around by Muslim .. To prove this, let's go back in time to the time of Muhammad.. Did Muhammed help the Jewish population in the area "flourish"? No, he actually executed all the men and boys, and enslaved the women and children. Boy .... "
"Would you like to know what happened during the Granada Massacre, Fleur? The leader of the Jewish community was crucified, and 4000 Jews were slaughter the same day. Yep, those Jews sure were "flourishing.".... "
And I thought I had enough of your nonsense !!
Your sources first , then we can talk .
" Well fleur, when I read someone express the idea that they'd like to watch the butchering of the Jews, worthless pig is usually how I describe them. "
I can now see it , Jews are "God's chosen people" so it's a big deal if they were killed , but as for the butchering of palestinians , that doesn't count .. Palestinian blood is just water to you , is that it ?!
"I'm already running out of steam attacking your stupidity, fleur. Why do you think Israel has such a bloody history? Because Arabs have been attacking it since the first day of its independence.
If you don't know what I'm talking about here, you're probably not worth debating....Second, a UN partition plan (the legal aspect) was set up after World War II and was agreed to by everyone except, you guesses it, the Arabs.
You know what, I'm not even going to waste my time explaining the whole damn thing to you, but I will give you three reference points: The Balfour declaration, the British Mandate of Palestine, and the UN Partition Plan of 1947. Start there and then come back to me."
I was forgetting something , all the major sources on the Internet are controlled by Jews , so unfortunatly this depate is worthless , we are not relying on the same sources so good news for you .. this depate is over .
Just know this , Palestine belongs to Palestinians , Israel has always been nothing but the USA's soldier in the region , but now USA is there so it's only a matter of time before Israel is on her own . I'm sure if you know the truth about Israel you wouldn't support it like this , but it's your media to be blamed anyway . Use your brain for a change and stop this blind support for Israel .
EDIT :
"This makes you lose any legitimacy with me. I accept your surrender and am awaiting your apology for wasting my time."
Surrender? I didn't surrender , in fact I have found reliable sources that I can refer to so if you wanna go through with this fine with me, rumpelstiltskin .
Apology ? For wasting your time ?
If you think this is a waste of time then it's your problem not mine , rumpelstiltskin ( you don't have a problem with the name, do you ? )
OK ..
" All right everybody, I must admit that I'm actually debating this question with another person via email, the only difference being that she's competent. And don't worry, she supports your position."
whoever she is , I support her for being able to handle your nonsense .
"Have Israelis killed children and civilians? Yes, they have. What's the difference between Israel and terrorist groups like Hamas? Killing civilians isn't Israel's GOAL. Israel's goal has been to live in peace. Hamas' goal is TO KILL EVERY ISRAELI CIVILIAN. So I ask you the same question: How do you look at yourself in the mirror and sleep at night knowing that you support people whose goal it is to slaughter AN ENTIRE PEOPLE?"
Rumpelstiltskin , there is NO such thing as an Israeli civilian , everybody in Israel must serve in the military except for :
1- arabs : they aren't israelis and they can't possibly kill their brothers and sisters .
2- eldery : too old to kill , but when they were younger they were in the military so they have palestinian blood on their hands .
3- underage : too young to kill , but they will soon be old enough to slaughter palestinians .
4- sick people : too weak to kill , but they served and the military before getting sick and will continue after their recovery .
So practiclly there are no civilians in Israel except for arabs , as for the rest they either have palestinian blood on their hands or they will soon have .
Here are the definitions to the references you gave me :
The Balfour declaration : The British giving something they don't own to someone not worthy of it .
The British Mandate of Palestine : by force .
The UN Partition Plan of 1947 : The UN is being pressed by the greatest power at the time to get this over with.
Here are some israeli massacres against arabs , rumpelstiltskin :
http://www.ameu.org/uploads/vol29_issue4_1996.pdf
http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/nakba.asp
http://www.pnic.gov.ps/arabic/quds/eng/general%20report/quds_e_infring1.html
These are only the documented massacres in Palestine alone .
Did you know that Israeli military bombed a children's school in Egypt , the year 1970 , killing at least 30 children and at least 100 were badly wounded ? Using American weapons of course ..
Read this if you know arabic :
http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D8%AC%D8%B2%D8%B1%D8%A9_%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%B1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%82%D8%B1
And many more ..
Mohammed Dorra the Palestinian child who was shot in cold blood by the israelis while he was in his father's arms . Look it up.
And of course Qana ( 1999 & 2006 ) , a disgusting atttack on a peaceful, helpless village causing innocent children's death .. but of course you wouldn't know about all that , rumpelstiltskin .
These are enough massacres for now .
No massacres against jews happened in Egypt or any other arab country , as for Palestine it's typical that palestinians defend themselves ( although I've never heard of that Haddasah Convoy massacre ) .
EDIT :
"Didn't I tell you I was finished with you people fleur?"
"you people"
yes you told us that you were finished with "us people" rumpelstiltskin , but your question was still open so I didn't see why I shouldn't give a last answer to prove that I didn't walk away from my first depate and to prove to anyone reading this that I have a true cause .
Pick a best answer ..
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