Who's the bigger loon, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, or South African President Thabo Mbeki?

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Smiley

Both! People, George Bush is not a loon. He's a great man that will do anything for his country. I don't know why most of you have a problem with him. You must wake up! I agree with Brad once again.

Motti _Shish

I would say they are very similar, but I hate Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad way more! But they're both dumb in their own ways! :)

poepies

They all are pretty pathetic if you ask me, but I must agree with most off the answers, Bush isn't the brightest spark in the packet!

Chucky

Brad vir 'n slag kak niemand jou uit nie!!!

What about South Africa's deputy president???
Spending R4.5 million on a plane to/from england!!! And R3 million on a return from australia!
I'm starting to by-pass the receiver (SARS), i'm not paying for her to fly that kak! She can fly mango or kulula!

kent_shakespear

Bush, clearly.

Olan O

George Bush!

african lion

This is supposed to be a travel channel, but a serious contender would surely be George Bush. Him being directly involved in the death and poverty of millions of Iraqi,s. His justifications for this fiasco is total hogwash, we all know that!

Paul H

I would say it is a tie. They are both a wee bit on the wacko side.

-One Love-

Both should belong in the loony bin!

wisebeyondmyyears

They're both nuts !

KÃÂ®Ãâ¬ZÃÂ¥ Ã

I Think Its Time To Play The Tie Breaker Round.......

Lets Just Filp A Coin....

Diezel

Which Brad Morris are you?

boskafur

altwee is deur die kak

die een kan dalk net dommer wees

glynis18

I honestly can't decide. Not sure if loon is the word I would use, but it surely is more civil than what I would call them.

pietpompiesook

watse se ding is n loon..........ek betaal my volk op die plaas n loon.............mbeki is dom.......ek ken nie daai ander naam nie..............hoekom praat die mense van bush as sy naam nie in jou vraag is nie

lei$hler

hey bro, i don't like you too much but for this one i agree with you! THUMBS UP;)

gunner2za

bush...........he STILL believes that there are WMD in Iraq and Iran and when some half wit in NK admits to having them and actually detonates them bush is to scared to actually go and attck him..................O NO i forgot...........THERE IS NO OIL IN NK

Brad you actually have no clue pal.........but continue to dream on

PS LET ME REMIND YOU THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY AN IMMIGRANT IN USA AND WILL ALWAYS BE............I on the other hand am a bona fide (look it up) citizen of my country............you are a scared lil bald w@nker who ran away and the reason i say so is you admit in one of your previous posts that you actually dont have much of a sex life

Ni Ten Ichi Ryu

George Bush.

He's such a great man.

Much of modern 20th century history is rooted in secularism but recently, according to Time magazine; the western world has once again started to embrace religious faith. Partly due to the rise of Islamic terrorism, many European and American leaders have felt compelled to declare their Christian identity.

The present “War on Terror" can be viewed as being equally a political fight as it is a battle between two opposing fundamentalist camps. On the one side we have the increasingly Christianised American nation versus the "evil" of Islam.

Islam is frequently painted as the aggressor in this struggle but it is a one-sided view devoid of consideration of Islam as a whole. Increasingly since 9/11 the actions of a tiny violent fundamental minority is being used to paint the entire Islamic faith with the same label of terrorism. The modern Islamic terrorist has been a recent invention of the 20th century thanks to equally evil Hitlerian men like Ayatollah Khomeini.

Those who describe Islam as the evil faith point to scriptures in the Koran like "Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers will you find the Jews and Pagans" (Sura 5, verse 85) and "Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them." (9:5).

What they fail to highlight is that the Koran also contains the following scriptures: “There must be no coercion in matters of faith!" (2:256)

Another reads: "O people! We have formed you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another.” (49:13).

It is hard to deny that Islam has always been a violent faith especially with the current president of the United States appealing to the emotions of millions of Christian across the world but in its 14 century existence Islam has seen more moderate peaceful times than violent.

In response to the rise of Islam a new strain of fascism is on the rise – that of the Christian Right.

It appears that American politics is being influenced by fundamental faith and that religion is being used to marshal the troops and galvanize the people with the current GOP squad offering sound bites to the rest of the world like the following:

“I think the Moslem faith teaches hate.” - Jerry Falwell

"We’re not attacking Islam but Islam has attacked us. The God of Islam is not the same God. He’s not the son of God of the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It’s a different God, and I believe it is a very evil and wicked religion." – Franklin Graham, Billy Graham’s son.

"When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. `What do you mean?’ the media challenged me. `You’re not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?’ My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.’" - Pat Robertson, "The New World Order," page 218.

"I don’t know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." - George Bush

In his address to the nation on the night of September 11, Bush quoted verbatim from the Bible when he said’ “And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness will not overcome it.” He also often quotes from hymns, prayers, tracts and Biblical passages without attributing them to a source.

Dr James Luther Adams warned of the similarities between the new revived Christian Right and Nazism. He certainly knew what he was talking about, having been active in the anti-Nazi church movement in Germany in 1935 and 1936.

The foundation for the Christian Right movement is based rather heavily on the Reconstructionist movement, founded in 1973 by Rousas Rushdooney.

Rushdooney advocated violence to bring about a Christian state and squeezed Christianity into the distorted framework of fascism with the world being ruled by a Christian United States. Rushdooney dismissed the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust as an inflated figure and his theories on race echoed Nazi Eugenics.

Dr Tony Evans, the founder of Promise Keepers, gave Rushdooney’s extremism a more acceptable, less extreme public face. At rallies he would make impassioned pleas to exercise power within society as agents of Christ and called for a Christian state.

Evans was also the spiritual mentor to George Bush. This explains the rise of the distorted Christian right wing worldview as espoused by Bush, Tom Delay, Pat Robertson and Falwell.

Christ’s message of love, forgiveness and compassion is ignored and Jesus is painted as an avenging warlord with no connection to the figures in the gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke. The Jesus who turned the other cheek and embraced his enemies, a startling and radical idea at the time, is completely removed in a selective purging.

This ideology is also being taught at Christian Schools and Christian home schools with the help of the America’s Providential History – its standard textbook.

In it, its authors argue that God has called the United States to become "the first truly Christian nation" (page 184) and "make disciples of all nations."

As in the case of Islamic extremists, "What convinces masses are not facts, and not even invented facts, but only the consistency of the system which they are presumably part. Repetition, somewhat overrated in importance because of the common belief in the "masses" inferior capacity to grasp and remember, is important because it convinces them of consistency in time." - Hannah Arendt in Origins of Totalitarianism

Like the Islamic extremists they claim to fight, the Christian Right will not stop until we are governed by their draconian interpretation of Biblical law.

One form of extremism is merely being replaced by another.

No, I hardly try to get around something I know nothing about. That's the same tired phrase you throw about when you can't really refute a point put forward. Relegating it to circumventing and circumlocution is cute - a great way to (seemingly) dismiss something but, like any ad hominem argument it doesn't prove what I have said wrong, only that you don't agree.

I full well understand the question but put Bush forward as an example of how equally messed up a leader you proud Americans, who refuse to accept the fact that he is one of the worst presidents to ever lead your country in much the same way Mbeki and the Iranian idiot are, have.

Circumventocution!

"Metamic - I throw that phrase around when applicable, as it is in your case, usually." - Nope, you merely copy the screaming banshee squad of Malkin, Coulter and Bruce et al with their equally extreme views. Come up with a better defense. Because you insult me doesn't mean I am wrong, just that you don't like me and what I say - it doesn't make what I say any less true.

jack daniels

THE BIGGEST LOON BY FAR IS AHMADINEJAD, AND CLOSELY FOLLOWED BY THABO MBEKI.

As far as GW Bush is concerned he did the right thing, he may come across as a buffoon but his heart is in the right place, he is just a good old boy from Texas.

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