Why do Jews need a homeland?

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Zeno

There exists no such need. It might have come in handy until 1945 but since then state persecution of jews has ended and today there is clearly no need for a safe-haven. As far as simply wanting a country that is just for them,that is fundamentally discriminatory and in any event the the idea of the ethnic state belongs to another era. We are now into the era of multiculturalism; in every way,the zionist enterprise is a leftover from the 19th century.

moeiceman

umm kinda bad to say buddy everybody needs a homeland

Leah

nice question and nicely put..i'd like to read the answers myself, thanks..

mark

Most Jews do not live in Israel. The Zionists were like any colonists they colonized Palestine for the last 60 years. It is not yet a homeland for the Zionists as long as the native people of the land are fighting for their independence. Zionist did not do a good job to establish homeland for both the native people and the colonists. peace is the missing link in the Zionist homeland. Israel is the last colony in the world it is not a homeland yet.

Galahad

They don't. They aren't being persecuted anywhere. Besides,most of self-proclaimed jews aren't jewish. They aren't a race,they aren't an ethnic group,and most aren't atheist. They are kind of phantasmagorical in that sense.

Bluegirl

How do you know that ALL Jews are living so well already? Do you have a homeland?

Worldluv

I don't know since there are MORE Jews living in other countries than there are in Israel. This, despite the Israeli government trying in get Jews to move there.

About 40% of the Jew population live in Israel, and about that same number in the United States! Some reports say slightly higher in Israel; others say slightly higher in the States. The rest (about 20%) are in various other countries.

Obviously the need for their own separate country because they feel persecuted does not stand up to reality on the ground. Therefore, the need for Palestinians to give up their land is ridiculous.

spReez

They don't cause suffering for other people, sweetheart, it's just a stereotype you're making. As for them living wealthy, well, somebody with brains has to keep the economy going, right?

stop me if you can

the Jewish people in Israel are anything but rich.Poster below- the Jewish population in Israel is about the same as it was in 1948 due to the NORMAL birthrate of 2. Gaza, however is most densely populated place on Earth due to a birthrate of about 7per family. I always get deleted for telling the truth but I did a study and even under the BEST of conditions the entire country of Israel would not be enough for them in less than 50 years.

Ann Coulter: Nutcase

Because, largely, everywhere else in the world, they are bullied and pushed around. And as for your first paragraph, that's only in the western world.

Joshua N

They are in this status? That's news. Maybe stop looking at Hollywood and look at your hometown. There are a lot of poor Jews, including me, in this world. Also, look at the antisemitism. People need a refuge. By the way, Israel let the Arabs stay, it was the Arab nations who encouraged the Arabs to leave to not be part of the crossfire in which they believed they would destroy Israel. You know what happens when a nation attacks Israel, and I am proud that the homeland can defend herself from any offensive attacks.

jenseits

In 1917 the concept of "homeland" was at stake, and it was the condition for a Palestinian state. Actually, it would be useless here to focus on the so called reasons, however, more than a homeland they have a state since 1948 and there is still no Palestinian state, that's the problem today!

Both the historical bases of Zionism and the political actions of Israel are definitley dishonest.

About the example you took: most of American people support Israel because they associate Israelis with Cowboys and Palestinians with Indians. Not to mention the part played by Christian (Protestant) Zionism.

Thank you.

Mark S, JPAA

Your statements about Jewish status in various parts of the world have nothing to do with the fact that Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, always has been and always will be.

I expect a lot of thumbs down for this answer but *they* aren't relevant either.

Quiet Curiosity 1970

In regards to the Israeli state, we in the western world cannot understand. We have a short history and lineage. Even though most in the US are Christian, our religion does not connect us. We cannot see from there point of view.

However, we have practiced the very act for which you criticize the Jews. We arrive here in the US. We claimed this land as ours and forced the natives into other realms. We have made the Native Americans suffer just as much in our past.

This situation in the Middle East has been prevalent for centuries. Christians, Muslims and Jews alike have participated in this same behavior. I believe you discredit one party in an unfair and unbalanced manner.

Bosco

They don't. Perhaps there was once a need but no longer. Essentially zionism is an anachronism and probably most jews know that or they would live in Palestine,which most do not.

Maya

No other ethnic group has to my knowledge declared a need for an ethnically pure society of their own. It is anomalous even in terms of the broad scope of history,what to speak of such an agenda proceeding in today's social environment of multiculturalism. As to their motive,they are prompted by probably semi-mythological accounts of past glory under a King David; hence their values and conception of a state are based on societal norms that were already out of date by the time of Persian Empire. Basically they are atavistically attempting to recreate a long-gone era when the nation-concept had yet to have evolved much beyond the level of mere tribalism. No,they not need a "homeland". Nor do Anglo-Saxons. Nor do Latinos. Nobody does. Nationality has long since replaced ethnicity as the foundation of a people. They are politically a throwback to the year 3000 B.C.E.

falphil

"...why cause so much suffering for other people..."

Wow, that's a stretch.

Considering that their Mohammedan neighbors have created a culture based on murder and ethnic cleansing over the last 1300 years, I am having a hard time understanding what your motivation for asking the question is.

For that matter, why does anyone need a homeland?

But let me answer your question. It is not a matter of need. It is a matter of want. Cultural groups have been pushing other cultural groups off of desirable real estate from time immemorial. There is not one country on the face of the earth today populated by a cultural group that lived there 1000 years ago.

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Plus, you have to keep in mind that Syria, Jordan, and Egypt could have absorbed the Palestinians with little or no trouble. Instead, they chose to use the Palestinians as a political football. By keeping them in refugee camps and stirring up the political crap, Israel's neighbors create an unnecessary political situation where there does not need to be one. Furthermore, Israel has not expelled any native Mohammedans who have chosen to live in a civilized manner.

Question: Which nation has donated the most money to facilitate better living conditions in Palestinian refugee camps?

Answer: The United States of America

Question: Which country has donated the second largest amount of money to facilitate better living conditions in Palestinian refugee camps?

Answer: Israel. In fact, Israel has poured SIX TIMES the amount of funds into Palestinian refugee relief than the largest contributor among the Mohammedan nations, Saudi Arabia.

Scott A

Mark, not all Jews are so wealthy. I know Jews who are in the lower class of American society. Imagine how it is in uncivilized countries.
Last year in New York (A state with one of the more Jewish populations... however still a minute percent) Anti-semitic attacks are sharply up. That is why the Jews need a safe haven of their own.
Secondly, here's the deal. The UN made Israel, and Palestine... and there could, and should have been peace.
However, the surrounding Arab nations refused peace and now the Palestinians suffer. It's not the fault of Israel, but the surrounding nations who attacked Israel such as Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt.

Here is a quote from former Syrian Prime Minister Khalid al-Azm:

"Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees to their country, while it is we who made them leave it. [ā€¦]
We brought disaster upon one million Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave their land, their homes, their work and their industry. We have rendered them dispossessed, unemployed, whilst every one of them had work or a trade by which he could gain his livelihood."

paradisemtn

God gave it to them

Liora

There have ALWAYS been Jews living in what is now Israel. Even Moslem and Christian tradition acknowledge the births and deaths of Jesus of Nazareth, and Abraham, as Jews who lived respectively 2,000 years & 5,000 years ago in this part of the world! At times there were very few Jews, due to repeated occupation & re-occupation by a succession of conquering Babylonians, Byzantines, Ottomans, Romans, Mamaluks etc. Nevertheless, there has ALWAYS been a Jewish presence in Israel.
The 'Palestinians' as a nation of Moslems, were a creation of Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat in 1964, with the main goal of destroying the Jewish people living in the Land of Israel. - still the defined goal of Hamas, & Hezbollah today.
In 1923, the British divided the "Palestine" portion of the Ottoman Empire into two administrative districts; Jews would be permitted to settle the 27.8% of the land west of the Jordan River creating a Jewish Palestinian National Homeland, whilst 72.2% was allocated to form an Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan (meaning "across the Jordan River"). This territory east of the Jordan River was given to Emir Abdullah (from Hejaz, now Saudi Arabia) who was not even an Arab-"Palestinian!"
Problems arose, because Jordan & Lebanon & Egypt abrogated their responsibilities to the Palestinian Arabs that were living on the Lands - contrary to the agreements that were made with them in 1923.

In 1946, Trans-Jordan was again renamed simply Jordan. In other words, the Eastern 72.2% of what was Palestine was renamed twice, in effect, erasing all connection to the name "Palestine!"
The bottom line is that THE PALESTINIAN ARABS WERE ALLOCATED AN "ARAB PALESTINIAN" HOMELAND, in what is now Jordan. The remaining 27.2% of Palestine (now west of the Jordan River) was to be the "Jewish Palestinian" homeland.

Encouraged by growing Arab nationalism throughout the Middle East, THE ARABS of that remaining Palestinian territory west of the Jordan River, STARTED TO LAUNCH ATTACKS upon the Jewish Palestinians in an effort to drive them out. The British at first tried to maintain order but soon (due to the large oil deposits being discovered throughout the Arab Middle East) turned a blind eye. It became clear to the Palestinian Jews that to survive, they must fight the Arabs, and drive out the British.
The original Zionist settlers purchased land legally from the Ottoman government, from absentee Arab landlords and then later from the British government. The allegations that "Palestinian land was stolen", arose because Moslem tenant fermers were enraged that land that their families had farmed for generations was SOLD from under their feet. The major areas of Jewish settlement in Tel Aviv, the Negev, and the Galilee were literally built up from nothing--no one lived there.
The incoming Jews, mostly from Russia, Bulgaria and Romania, started clearing the land of swamps and malaria, scorpions, snakes & thistles, in the 1800s to revitalize the land.

The Jewish effort attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighbouring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few Arabs there were, or those Arabs that immigrated into this area along with the Jews.
This contrasts with the actions of the governments of Morocco, Egypt, Iran (then Persia), Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon Syria & Yemen, who caused thousands of Jewish people to flee the homes that had been lived in by their families for generations. They ended up in pre-State 'Palestine'. (Even a cursory glance at the general Jewish population of Israel today, reveals a majority of dark-skinned Israelis, bearing testimony to their Middle-Eastern roots).

As of just a few weeks ago, the latest figures reveal that finally, there are more Jews in Israel than in New York.
The total population of Israel is around 7,000,000; about 5,000,000 are Jewish. The rest are Moslem, Christian & Armenian. Then there are the Darfurian refugees that Israel takes in; even though the Sudan is a "hostile nation", in recent months Israel has been absorbing about 3-400 refugees a month. They are helped to find jobs & homes & receive State benefits.
Israel also has a large number of residents from Thailand, Chins & Sri Lanka. Then of course, there are the non-Jewish husbands, wives & children of people who claim Jewish heritage going back several generations - from Russia, India, Ethiopia & Romania. So an "ethnically pure" country, she isn't.
How is it OK for Italy to be a Catholic country, & the UK to be a Christian country - & all the 39 hostile Arab countries surrounding Israel to be Moslem countries, but Israel, the SIZE OF WALES, isn't "allowed" to be a Jewish State?

MikeInRI

Jews already have a homeland - Israel - we don't need another homeland. Thanks for asking though and using stereotypes that "all Jews" live well.

Good Luck!!!

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