Why the Israeli supporters ignore the right of the native Palestinian to exist and live in one state too?

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Annt Hu DeShalit

By no means all the Palestinians refugees are in their current position because Israelis purchased land from other Arabs. Many are actually Jordanian, Egyptian and Saudi Arabian in origin; they are the descendants of those who arrived in the Land of Israel, immediately after WW II, at the behest of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

Most Arabs living west of the Jordan River in Israel, the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza are newcomers who came from surrounding Arab lands after the turn of the 20th century because they were attracted to the relative economic prosperity brought about by the Zionist Movement and the British in the 1920s and 1930s.

This is substantiated by eyewitness reports of a deserted country -- including 18th-century reports from the British archaeologist Thomas Shaw, French author and historian Count Constantine Volney (Travels through Syria and Egypt, 1798); the mid-19th-century writings of Alphonse de Lamartine (Recollections of the East, 1835); Mark Twain (Innocents Abroad, 1867); and reports from the British Consul in Jerusalem (1857) that were sent back to London.

A travel guide to Palestine and Syria, published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker, illustrates the fact that, even when the Islamic Ottoman Empire ruled the region, the Muslim population in Jerusalem was minimal. The book estimates the total population of the city at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews.

In other words, "the native people of the land" are the Jews and not the Arabs.

Could the asker therefore please stop claiming the opposite?

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Morya tal i

we give them all the rights we can afford to give them while allowing ourselves to lead relatively normal lives. non-dangerous arabs have israeli citizenship and have all the rights we do.all of them. however, when one of them, say, takes a tractor and runs over whoever is in sight, or takes a gun and shoots at whoever he can in a high school, his citizenship is taken away, and his house is destroyed.
whoever is dangerous, who's religions ideals are to kill whoever is different from them, should NOT and do nothave the rights to vote, travel freely around the country etc. i think that's perfectly justified, especially because nobody knows whos dangerous until they actually try to kill us. thats a risk we are taking every single effing day, so stop feeling sorry for the ones who really have the got the easy life.

THE TRUTH IS HOLY

Your basic premise is wrong. The native people of that land are the Jews. Prior to a few decades ago, the Druze and the Bedouins were nearly the only Arabs in The Holy Land. It is a myth (one that educated people do not believe) that more than a few hundred Arabs lived in Israel prior to 1880.

Arieh

Majority rules in a democracy. The Jews will fail to remain one if a one state solution is adopted. You cannot equate the prior aparteid situation in South Africa since the whites were a minority.

The angels have the Arc Light.

The UN tried to make a two state solution in '48 as well. Basically the League of Arab Nations gambled away the Arab-majority state in hopes of eradicating the Jewish-majority one.

And that's on top of the 7/8ths of the Mandate of Palestine which became the very Arab Transjordan in 1922.

Try again, hon. You're ignoring the facts.

The First Dragon

Jews are native to the Middle East as well as Arabs.
Israel was founded for Jews because of the Arab nationalist movement, exemplified by Mohammad Amin al Husayni, wanting to remove all Jews from the region. They were not willing to live peacefully with Jews in one nation.
So, most of the British Mandate of Palestine was used to form the nation of Jordan, and Arab nation, while part of it was used to form Israel. Israel allowed any Arabs who wanted to, to stay in Israel as full citizens; Arabic is even one of Israel's official languages.
If it were not for the anti-Jewish Arab movement, a one-state solution might have worked. But there is nothing obligatory about it. Palestine was not a nation before the British Mandate of Palestine: it was just part of the Ottoman Empire. It wasn't even called Palestine officially. It was divided between "Beirut" and "Jerusalem" administrative units.

A one state solution is out of the question. Right of return is a lie.
The only reason the two state won't work is because Muslims continue to invade Israel and their airspace.
If the Pals would concentrate on working to grow and ignore Israel there could have been two states long ago.
Instead they teach kill all Jews.
Your attitude is nonsense.

moneymaxer

If by "right to exist", you mean the right to kill Jews, than I, just like 99.9999%, don't support their right to exist.

If by "right to exist", you mean the right to raise their children in peace, produce something useful, learn, build... and not kill anyone, than I, just like 99.9999% of all the Israeli Jews, support it.

Stop hating the Jews, and peace will come the same day.

Kevin S

A colony always has a mother country. What is the mother country of Israelis?

Kimimela-PRO ISRAEL AND PROUD

Israel has NEVER rejected or refused to recognise the palastinians right to exist in israel - UNLIKE HAMAS who refuse to recognise that israel even exists - let alone its right to !

- israel grants citizen ship to arabs and palastinians while palastinians concentrate on blowing up israelis and jews indiscriminatly .

- israel has openly said that the way to peace is a two state solution. meanwhile palastinians have rejected every single peace deal laid in front of them - why ? because they want israel all to themselves. they dont want to share not even one cm with israelis or jews ..

THIS IS WHY THERE IS NO PEACE...

you want to get your head out of the bbc, hamas and arabic propoganda that youve obviously been reading and try and take at a look at both sides...

and as for the comparisons with south africa or northern ireland etc ... i will say this -- palastinians and israelis are completly differant peoples and so are the situations ... you cant compare us with the irish or south africans because we are nothing like them !

there CAN be peace in the middle east once palastinians learn to accept israels right to exist, and dont elect governments that want to push all jews into the sea etc

TWO sides to make a war TWO sides to make peace !!!

the responsibility and cause of peace is not israels alone !!!!

palastinians need to stop playing into this victim role that hamas has set up for them and realise they are as much responsible for peace and making thier own state as israel is .

Rage of the Jew

Oh give me a ******* break.

Before Israel became Israel, that land was a desert wasteland. NO BODY WANTED IT. But then when people came in and started making good use of the land, Palestine got all gong-ho about it. Sorry guys, but you lost out. I bet you all the money in the world that if Israel never came to be, that land would STILL be desert wasteland.

kismet

Jordan is Palestine. Palestine is Jordan.

This is the royal decree and sentiments of two of the kings of Jordan.

"Palestine and Jordan are one..." said King Abdullah in 1948.

"The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan," said King Hussein of Jordan, in 1981.

Let's closely examine the facts of history from the Arab perspective, rather than the Jewish one, regarding Jordan and Palestine.

"Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is only one land, with one history and one and the same fate," Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly was quoted as saying on February 2, 1970.

Accordingly, Abdul Hamid Sharif, Prime Minister of Jordan declared, in 1980, "The Palestinians and Jordanians do not belong to different nationalities. They hold the same Jordanian passports, are Arabs and have the same Jordanian culture."

In other words, Jordan is Palestine. Arab Palestine. There is absolutely no difference between Jordan and Palestine, nor between Jordanians and Palestinians (all actually Arabs).

This fact is also confirmed by other Arabs, Jordanians and 'Palestinans' who were either rulers or scholars.

"There should be a kind of linkage because Jordanians and Palestinians are considered by the PLO as one people," according to Farouk Kaddoumi, then head of the PLO Political Department, who gave the statement to Newsweek on March 14, 1977. Distinguished Arab-American Princeton University historian Philip Hitti testified before the Anglo-American Committee,

"There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history."

According to Arab-American columnist Joseph Farah,

"Palestine has never existed - before or since - as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire, and briefly by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland. There was no language known as Palestinian. There was no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a Palestine governed by the Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc."

Lupines supports GEERT WILDERS

I'm not ignoring anything I believe in one state. Israel has a state and so do the Arabs already, in fact, they have alot to choose from. Israel isn't a colony there were already indigenous Jewish settlements there with Jerusalem as the capital. To also note that there never was such a nation as "Palestine." Modern nations were forming in the Middle East at that time and there never was a non-Jewish Arab that ever considered themselves Palestinian. They all called themselves Syrian. But even to make up for any Arabs on the land they were given Jordan or allowed citizenship in Israel or to remain as a Syrian. Some agreed and others refused as they wanted to totally push Israel into the sea. The ones that you see here are the last of the violent fighters.

Israel was formed officially on 14May1948 but they had already been operating as a nation much earlier than that. Prior to the UN vote Britain explained: "it is not international land therefore not internationalists place to divvy up the land." but the UN did a typical lame vote.

The statehood on all the countries that waged war on fledgling Israel is as follows: Jordan 25 May 1946, Syria 17 April 1946, Lebanon 22 November 1943, Egypt 18 February 1922, Iraq 3 October 1932, North Yemen 1918

Israel won her wars that Arabs waged and she actually won her land back from that lame UN vote. The land wasn't taken from anyone else either, as you see, the other Arabs also got their modern nations. Jordan rec'd 80% of the British Territory that was named Palestine. Everyone gave up except Syria, and Syria invented these "Palestine" myth of a people to continue the war. Arabs already admitted this:

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Arab Quotes:
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese." -- PLO Executive Committee member Zuhayr Muhsin, March 31, 1977, interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw."

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it."- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -
"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not."
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -
"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria."- Rep. of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956
-Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated:
"The only Arab domination since the Conquest in the year 635 hardly lasted, as such, 22 years."

"You Arabs admitted that the [Palestinian] cause began after 1967...The Israelis can sue you now, and if they sue you they will win."
Qaddafi to Arab Summit 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP2ePHOLS...

"Palestine and Jordan are one..." said King Abdullah in 1948.

"The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan," said King Hussein of Jordan, in 1981.

"Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is only one land, with one history and one and the same fate," Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly was quoted as saying on February 2, 1970.

Accordingly, Abdul Hamid Sharif, Prime Minister of Jordan declared, in 1980, "The Palestinians and Jordanians do not belong to different nationalities. They hold the same Jordanian passports, are Arabs and have the same Jordanian culture."

"We all know the Israeli aggression will not be without consequences.We all know our people have been oppressed by the Israeli occupation, but that doesn't mean we don't have a right to live in a land we migrated to and settled in." Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas PM, 03 Feb 2009 Al-Aqsa TV
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So you see, these Arabs have an identity crisis. First they are all Syrian, then they are Jordanian, then they are new Palestinian people wanting to take Israel. The simple fact of the matter is that Syria invented the PLO to overtake Jordan, Israel, and Lebanon. These people are Syrian fighters that never gave up.

Never a distinct Palestinian people:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26932
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Edit to Nomad: In your statement you threw out both history books and biblical scriptures and when you do that you are only left with only your opinion and no facts to support it.

John K

because Palestinians never recognized Israel.. If they happily lived together with the Jews from the beginning Israel wouÄ±ld have been a DisneyLand

Nomad

to lupine: Arabs have an identity crisis and what do isrealis have? are you jews or isreali? Are all isreali jews and is it necessary for all jews to support isreal. I knwo several that dont and will never live in isreal bcos god has forbidden jews from the promised land.
There was no country called palestine you say - well the facts that at least since the roman times the area encompassing isreal, parts of jordon, and lebanon and syria were called palestine... remind me again where was an isreal in all these centuries?
Anyway i think this going back into ancient history to justify isreal's occupation is nonsense. How do we know that is recorded history - and even if it is so what? Should the Aryans come back and claim central asia as their long lost homeland? should the dravids (who used to live in what is now Pakistan around 3200 BC and now live in south india) come and cliam Pakistan as their own?? Should the parsis who were expelled by the Christains come back and say ok Iran is ours??
And anyway most of the people who live in isreal are not arab jews at all hence their claim to that land is extremely shaky - hence the aggressiveness i suppose? Clearly this coming back after centuries to cliam a land as your own bcos your religion says so is bunkum and so much hooey.
What i am ready to work with is that now that this has already happened and that Isreal has been formed to give to some displaced jews so that the west can conveninetly wash its hands off the holocaust, now it is a situation that the palestinians have to live with. Unfortunately this happened at a time when Palestinians had no say and were a colony. arabs nations, after a half hearted defence, have abandoned palestinians. i think the only option is for isreal and palestine to work together to form a united entity and a strong country.
But for this to happen a lot of people on both sides need to come down to earth. and a lot rhetoric and nonsense aout God's promise' needs to be revised. Do i need to tell you why americans are supporting isreal?? Dont you know its bcos the evangelical base which is the kingmaker in america believe that when all jews come together in one country, their messaih will come and all jews will become christains??? Dont you know that?? And thats the only reason why they are defending you.

TheseBlueEyesWillBreakYourHeart

Israelis have many a right to exist, but not in Palestine. They need to go back to their roots. Palestine belongs to the Arabs. The first people in the land were the Canaanites, who then converted to Christianity and THEN most to Islam. Not Judaism. Any Jews who were ever in Palestine throughout the history of it all were immigrants living amongst Palestinian land. A one state solution will not work because Israelis stole so much that does not belong to them. There are many Palestinian refugee camps of people thrown out of their homes from Yafa, Jerusalem, Haifa and so on and they are a main concern in this entire situation...to get them their homes back! Even if Palestinians agreed to a one state solution, Israel would never because God forbid they share anything....

FREE PALESTINE
GOD BLESS PALESTINE
AMEN

Tyreeisme!

Israel is the only Jewish nation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! , there are more than 20 Arab nations in the Arab league , also Jordan has a majority Palestinian Arab population.

larry_lime

The simple fact is that Jews and Arabs have DIFFERENT MENTALITIES and would have trouble coexisting in a bi-national state, so for this reason there MUST be TWO STATES, one for each people. Whereas Jews are prepared to give the Arabs THIER STATE, Arabs are NOT prepared to leave the Jews alone in THEIR JEWISH STATE!

first of all, jews are the native people there. there were jews in israel before islam was invented, before arabs left the arabian peninsula.

secondly, it is not israel holding up their independence, it is the philistine leaders. they refused a state in 48 and several other times. they haven't wanted a 2 state solution.

Haifa

a 2 state solution is impossible since the bigger state (Israel) has full control on the smaller state (palestine). They control their Water resources, power supply, Gas/Oil , Finance so basically its just one State which is israel having all the power and the other one is powerless.

That's why the zionist terrorism has to stop and leave palestine for good.

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