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Would anyone go on a trip to Israel?

I have the chance to go on a ten day trip to Israel in June next year. Does anyone think its a good idea with all the trouble they are having?

    



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Penfold
Israel is worth visiting and you should go. The trouble is isolated to certain regions, which you should obviously avoid. The rest of the country is safe. You will have one of the most memorable travel experiences.

A couple of tips: The Foreign Office website http://www.fco.gov.uk/ provides good quality travel advice and tells you the places to avoid. Remember that if you go into an area the FCO advises against travel to, your insurance will not pay out if you make a claim. Also, if you have an immigration stamp from any other middle eastern islamic country in your passport, you will not be allowed entry into Israel. Similarly, an Israeli stamp in your passport will prevent future entry into middle eastern islamic countries.


earfulofb.s.
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I don't think vacationing thing is a good thing right now when Hamas is shelling bombs on to innocent civilians in Israel while the otherside is getting bomb just about everyday. I don't feel like getting bombed on while vacationing. The conflicts has been going on for about 2000 years now and they haven't got over it. They need to put down their guns and start shaking hands after forgetting the past and move forward to make peace work. Then may be it be ok to vacation there.


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Hi there, make sure it is with a very good travel company that knows what it is doing. My aunt and uncle have been going every summer since 1999 with a travel group from their church (they are Messianic Jews) and they said that if there wasn't any television over there, they wouldn't even know there was a war going on. The people over there are very friendly to tourists as that is how they make a lot of their money. Just be cautious and wary of your surroundings. I would go in a heartbeat. Have fun!


spidoing n
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I went with my now husband 8 years ago and it was a fantastic trip, we would love to go back. But I feel now it is too dangerous, you could quite easily be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe you should think about going in a few years.


Pappy
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Not this bird, one side or the other is going to shoot you.


shoe s
i certainly think its a bad idea myself and wouldnt take the chance


bergab_hase
If you are not afraid to drive a car, you shouldn't be afraid of travelling to Israel either. Statistically, the chances of you dying in a terrorist incident whilst holidaying in Israel are smaller than the chances of you dying in a car crash tomorrow.


il kindome di cielo₪
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I wouldnt advise you to go and if was in your shoes it will be on may dead body


David R
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No way. I would view everyone as a walking hand-grenade


yankeegurl
i wouldnt go on a trip to israel. y'know why? CUZ I LIVE THERE!!!! thats right- as i type i am sitting here, by my computer, in israel!!!!! ohmigod, arent i insane?? if i live in israel i probably hide under a desk in a bomb shelter all day and havent been out in the sunlight since the whole "intifada" started years ago, right? HELL NO!!!!!! we have normal, fun COOL lives here!!!!! we live just like everyone else (for the most part... lol)!!
life here isnt a constant war zone, and thank g-d, there are many places here where you dont have to wear a gas mask...! lol...- you see? i even know what "lol" means!!!!! holy crap!!! the person who lives in israel and rides a camel to and from school and wears flowy tunics and flat leather sandals is actually the same as you guys!!!! whaddya know??
sorry that what i wrote came out so insane... lol- i just finished doing math homework (you believe it?? math!! in israel!! do you think they learn it in hebrew??? wow...)... i hate calculus!!! and algebra, and trig... lol!
well, now that i (hopefully) gave all you freaks a better idea of what life in israel is, i just have one more thing to say: GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!!! (yes, even they have made it all the way over here... i have a poster of derek jeter hanging over my bed! lol...)


londonhawk
Yes, Israel itself is fine to travel within, the issue is with border cities and the occupied terratories of the West Bank and Gaza. Tel Aviv and Jerusalem are safe, Haifa was witin reach of missle fire for the first time in history, so rcommend caution if going to Haifa. I went to Israel in the 80's when Israel was at war with Lebenon and I had a great time, one of the best trips I ever took. I went to the Sea of Galilea and to the Jordon River, Jaffa, Tel Aviv, and to the Bahai Temple in Haifa ... I truely recommend it.


Motti _Shish
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A ten day trip? Sounds like you are either going on 'birthright' or some similar tour. Now to answer your question-OF COURSE YOU GO!!! Israel tours are the most amazing I've ever been on! You should not even have the slightest bit of doubt when it comes to deciding if you should go. If you are afraid of it being dangerous there, you have nothing to worry about. Firstly these tours usually have armed personnel with them constantly and secondly Israel is not as dangerous as it seems when you see and hear about it from someplace else. It is a beautiful country and a definite must see! GO! And have fun! ;)


HumBug
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You should go. I went to visit friends in Israel for a week last year. Its a beautiful country. I want to go again next year.


J-UNIT
GGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
IT WILL BE THE BEST THING YOU EVER DID!!!!!!
IM HERE, CALL ME!


things that make you go hmmmm
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umm no i wouldnt go but if you have the chance to go then go it would be a one in a lifetime experience


Shossi
I love Israel---would go any day of the week.

It is as safe of a place as there is. If you are with a group, they will make sure you go where there is no trouble.

If you wait till there is no trouble there-at all-you may never go.


arbolito
The people who have answered so far have obviously never been to Israel. I have been there twice and it's a great place to visit. I can't wait to go back. There is no fighting in the streets or anything crazy like that. Obviously you are not going top go to the West Bank or Gaza. As long as you are in Israel proper you will have nothing to worry about. Just use common sense and don't take public transportation.


Joseph
Its a great idea, go and enjoy. No problems to visit any place you like. Its safe as any place in the world. Its a beautiful country, nice people, great weather, lovely beahces, good food. Have fun.


grace07
hell no dont go


rchlbsxy2
Depends on which parts of the country you are going to and how many local people you have looking after you.

It's a beautiful place and the general people are very nice and incredibly freindly on the whole - if your guide can keep you away from places where your presence may not be welcomed.

Don't wander around unaccompanied.


chastityelizabeth
I would love to go visit...
have you done any research or talked to people who have been there? See what they suggest.


ARABIAN PRINCE
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- What Did You Know About Israel?

1. Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel? A Jew from any country in the world is guaranteed citizenship in Israel, while the Palestinians who have been there for centuries are oppressed and persecuted.

2. Did you know that instead of sewing an insignia on clothing to distinguish race (like the Germans did to the Jews before WW2), Palestinian license plates in Israel are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

3. Did you know that East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights are all considered by the entire world community, including the United States and the United Nations, to be occupied territory and NOT part of the State of Israel?

4. Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews, and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is set aside for about 400 Jewish settlers, while the remaining 15% is distributed among Hebron's 120, 000 Palestinians?

5. Did you know that the United States awards Israel $5 billion in aid each year from American tax dollars?

6. Did you know that US aid to Israel ($3.0 billion annually) exceeds the aid the US grants to the entire African continent? This aid is used both to buy American weaponry and to buy arms made in Israel.

7. Did you know that Israel is awaiting an additional $4 billion worth of American military hardware, including new F-16s and Apache and Blackhawk helicopters. As Israel's main ally and supporter internationally, the United States is committed to maintaining the Jewish state's "qualitative edge" in weapons over its neighbors.

8. Did you know that the U.S. administration has notified Congress on numerous occasions that Israel has violated the rules on how US-supplied weapons are used? (In 1978, 1979 and 1982 during fighting in Lebanon, and once after Israel's bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.)

9. Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites?

10. Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war have been summarily executed by the Israeli forces?

11. Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a US warship in international waters (the USS Liberty), killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors and the US did nothing about it?

12. Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council Resolutions?

13. Did you know that Israel is explicitly dedicated to the policy of maintaining a distinct Jewish character?

14. Did you know that Israel's current Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be "personally and directly responsible" for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon where more than a thousand innocent Palestinian men, women, and children were axed to death or lined up and shot in cold blood?

15. Did you know that on May 20, 1990, a group of unarmed Palestinian laborers were lined up and murdered by an Israeli solider as they sat waiting for transportation back to Gaza? The terrified laborers who gathered in an area of southern Israel known as Rishon Lezion (known to Palestinians by its Arabic name Oyon Qara) handed their ID cards to the Israeli soldier. The soldiers ordered the distressed laborers to kneel down and face the ground and unexpectedly showered them with a barrage of bullets, killing seven and wounding many others. Needless to say, the soldier was not charged with any crime.

16. Did you know that until as recently as 1988, Israelis were permitted to run "Jews Only" job ads?

17. Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays six US public relations firms to promote a "positive image" of Israel to the American public?

18. Did you know that Sharon's coalition government includes a party--Molodet--which advocates ethnic cleansing by openly calling for the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from the occupied territories?

19. Did you know that recently-declassified documents indicate that David Ben-Gurion approved of the forced expulsion of Arabs from all Palestininan territory in 1948?

20. Did you know that the former chief rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, who is also a founder and spiritual leader of the religious Shas party (Israel's third largest political party) openly advocates a 'Final Solution' to annihilate the Palestinians? Speaking at the widely broadcast sermon marking the last Passover, he declared of the Palestinians: "The Lord shall return their deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable."

21. Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the refugee population in the world?

22. Did you know that Palestinian Christians are considered the "living stones" of Christianity because they are the direct descendants of the disciples of Jesus Christ? And the Palestinian Christians stand united with their Muslim brethren in the struggle against the Israeli occupation.

23. Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel's High Court of Justice, torture has continued unabated by Shin Bet interrogators on Palestinian prisoners?

24. Did you know that despite every Israeli attempt to disrupt Palestinian education, Palestinians have the highest ratio of PhDs per capita in the world?

25. Did you know that the right of self-determination is guaranteed to every human being under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [December, 1948], yet Palestinians were/are expected to negotiate for this right under the Oslo Accords?

26. Did you know that despite what is widely perpetuated and written in the history books that the Arabs attacked Israel in the 1967 war, it was Israel who attacked the Arab countries first, capturing Jerusalem and the West Bank, and called the attack a pre-emptive strike?

27. Did you know that, as an occupying power, Israel has a particular responsibility under the Geneva Conventions to protect Palestinian civilians?

28. Did you know that, despite Ariel Sharon's public call for a unilateral ceasefire, Israeli soldiers have not stopped shooting, killing or bulldozing Palestinian homes? The most recent example of this is the murder of three innocent women who were shot by an Israeli tank as they sat in their tent!

29. Did you know that the Zionists have been trying to destroy Masjid al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock for the last 50 years by digging underground tunnels beneath the sites to weaken its foundation causing it to collapse?

30) Nelson Mandela called the Israeli government an apartheid regime, just like South Africa used to be.


- If You Want To Know More About Israel, Visit The Following Sides:

1- Video show Israeli crimes on Quanah in 1996 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info...

2- Israeli Crimes: ( Details and Numbers of the Nazi Jews activities)
http://www.deathmasters.com/

3- Jenin Massacres:
http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/massacr...

4- WANTED for conspiracy to commit mass murder, war crimes, genocide and violation of Geneva conventions:
http://www.deathmasters.com/gallery.htm...

5- Israeli Attack "Terribly Wrong"
US Response: Status Quo
World: Two-State Peace Plan
by Mike Leon
http://www.counterpunch.org/leon0805.htm...

6- That is funny photo:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6886/...

7- Who are the real Terrorists? (By: Hal Turner)
http://www.halturnershow.com/israeliatro...

Violent actions by some Muslims are strongly reported all over the world while racist and violent Christians (do not mention Israeli massacres in Palestine and Lebanon) are under reported or at best not linked to the religion of the offender. Why? No one said that Christianity is violent after Abou Gharib prison crimes in Iraq done by the USA solders, no one says that Judaism is violent after (I can not count the number of massacres done by Israelis).

The Facts That Are Not Shown In Your Media:
- Whole society is being destroyed. There are 1.5 million Palestinians imprisoned in the most heavily populated area in the world.
- The Israeli army has been rampaging through Gaza, killing and demolishing, bombing and shelling, indiscriminately"
- Gaza is dying. The Israeli siege of the Palestinian enclave is so tight that its people are on the edge of starvation.

Here on the shores of the Mediterranean a great tragedy is taking place that is being ignored because the world's attention has been diverted by wars in Lebanon and Iraq.

A whole society is being destroyed. There are 1.5 million Palestinians imprisoned in the most heavily populated area in the world.

Israel has stopped all trade. It has even forbidden fishermen to go far from the shore so they wade into the surf to try vainly to catch fish with hand-thrown nets.

Many people are being killed by Israeli incursions that occur every day by land and air.

A total of 262 people have been killed and 1,200 wounded, of whom 60 had arms or legs amputated, since 25 June, says Dr Juma al-Saqa, the director of the al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City which is fast running out of medicine.

Of these, 64 were children and 26 women. This bloody conflict in Gaza has so far received only a fraction of the attention given by the international media to the war in Lebanon.

It was on 25 June that the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit was taken captive and two other soldiers were killed by Palestinian militants who used a tunnel to get out of the Gaza Strip.

In the aftermath of this, writes Gideon Levy in the daily Haaretz, the Israeli army "has been rampaging through Gaza - there's no other word to describe it - killing and demolishing, bombing and shelling, indiscriminately".

Gaza has essentially been reoccupied since Israeli troops and tanks come and go at will. In the northern district of Shajhayeh they took over several houses last week and stayed five days.

By the time they withdrew, 22 Palestinians had been killed, three houses were destroyed and groves of olive, citrus and almond trees had been bulldozed.

Fuad al-Tuba, the 61-year-old farmer who owned a farm here, said: "They even destroyed 22 of my bee-hives and killed four sheep."

He pointed sadly to a field, its brown sandy earth churned up by tracks of bulldozers, where the stumps of trees and broken branches with wilting leaves lay in heaps.

Near by a yellow car was standing on its nose in the middle of a heap of concrete blocks that had once been a small house.

His son Baher al-Tuba described how for five days Israeli soldiers confined him and his relatives to one room in his house where they survived by drinking water from a fish pond. "Snipers took up positions in the windows and shot at anybody who came near," he said.

"They killed one of my neighbours called Fathi Abu Gumbuz who was 56 years old and just went out to get water."

Sometimes the Israeli army gives a warning before a house is destroyed. The sound that Palestinians most dread is an unknown voice on their cell phone saying they have half an hour to leave their home before it is hit by bombs or missiles. There is no appeal.

But it is not the Israeli incursions alone that are destroying Gaza and its people.

In the understated prose of a World Bank report published last month, the West Bank and Gaza face "a year of unprecedented economic recession.

Real incomes may contract by at least a third in 2006 and poverty to affect close to two thirds of the population." Poverty in this case means a per capita income of under $2 (£1.06) a day.

There are signs of desperation everywhere. Crime is increasing. People do anything to feed their families.

Israeli troops entered the Gaza industrial zone to search for tunnels and kicked out the Palestinian police.

When the Israelis withdrew they were replaced not by the police but by looters. On one day this week there were three donkey carts removing twisted scrap metal from the remains of factories that once employed thousands.

"It is the worst year for us since 1948 [when Palestinian refugees first poured into Gaza]," says Dr Maged Abu-Ramadan, a former ophthalmologist who is mayor of Gaza City.

"Gaza is a jail. Neither people nor goods are allowed to leave it. People are already starving. They try to live on bread and falafel and a few tomatoes and cucumbers they grow themselves."

The few ways that Gazans had of making money have disappeared. Dr Abu-Ramadan says the Israelis "have destroyed 70 per cent of our orange groves in order to create security zones."

Carnations and strawberries, two of Gaza's main exports, were thrown away or left to rot. An Israeli air strike destroyed the electric power station so 55 per cent of power was lost. Electricity supply is now becoming almost as intermittent as in Baghdad.

The Israeli assault over the past two months struck a society already hit by the withdrawal of EU subsidies after the election of Hamas as the Palestinian government in March.

Israel is withholding taxes owed on goods entering Gaza. Under US pressure, Arab banks abroad will not transfer funds to the government.

Two thirds of people are unemployed and the remaining third who mostly work for the state are not being paid. Gaza is now by far the poorest region on the Mediterranean. Per capita annual income is $700, compared with $20,000 in Israel.

Conditions are much worse than in Lebanon where Hizbollah liberally compensates war victims for loss of their houses.

If Gaza did not have enough troubles this week there were protest strikes and marches by unpaid soldiers, police and security men.

These were organised by Fatah, the movement of the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen, which lost the election to Hamas in January. His supporters marched through the streets waving their Kalashnikovs in the air.

"Abu Mazen you are brave," they shouted. "Save us from this disaster." Sour-looking Hamas gunmen kept a low profile during the demonstration but the two sides are not far from fighting it out in the streets.

The Israeli siege and the European boycott are a collective punishment of everybody in Gaza. The gunmen are unlikely to be deterred.

In a bed in Shifa Hospital was a sturdy young man called Ala Hejairi with wounds to his neck, legs, chest and stomach.

"I was laying an anti-tank mine last week in Shajhayeh when I was hit by fire from an Israeli drone," he said. "I will return to the resistance when I am better. Why should I worry? If I die I will die a martyr and go to paradise."

His father, Adel, said he was proud of what his son had done adding that three of his nephews were already martyrs.

He supported the Hamas government: "Arab and Western countries want to destroy this government because it is the government of the resistance."
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palestinians have to deal with american-made most modern weapons (apache, M16, all sophisticated missiles, and everything that USA can give). They are the most sophisticated weapons that are ever used against defenseless civilians in history. Israelis kill palestinian brutally, they buried people ALIVE in the rubble of their homes, or shot them in the head (if you dont believe me, open http://www.halturnershow.com/israeliatro...

Israel also bombs Palestinian powerplants, making all Palestinians live in darkness. Palestinian government cannot build the new plants, at they have no money because palestinians taxpayers' money are held by Israel and israel doesnt want to return it to palestine. So there will be no electricity in palestine, at least for next few years.

If your fatherland are treated that way, would you fightback? Palestinians are trying to fight back with whatever they can, but they are marked terrorist because of that. I wonder why people don't mark Israel as terrorist.

...There are nations around the world who don't agree with their policies toward their neighbors...because they are killing innocent people and then as a justification they say they were "just defending themselves"...Most Muslims don't like it because they have occupied Palestinians land and although there are 3 UN resolution that ask for Israel to give them back the land,the Israeli government refuses...
It's because the Israeli government it's so arrogant,they don't listen to anyone and they think they are above the law...


they think they are the CHOSEN people ...by GOD... but unfortunately they work for SATAN. They are the SERVENTS OF SATAN

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sarah5
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No way...if i was in your shoes i won't scarify myself..it is dangerous there


the afro man
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No way unless you are a really religious jew.


Texas Made!
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ya, its a good idea if you wanna get KILLED!!


MASHI_20
deffinintly go!



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