Why missionary school in our country are not allowed to put cross symbol and Christian statue?

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SpookyFox

This is Malaysia. You know, I know, almost every one know. But We better don't talk about it.

hushpuppy

jedi, as much as i appreciate and like your questions... i really dont know how to give you an answer that i would feel comfortable with. all these questions that start with "why", you know only the stupid government can answer you. but if you asked "how" i feel or "what" do i think about it... that's perhaps easier.

anderson

i think most of malaysian knows why.

Bo.$$

hmm...something new to me
last week i was just passing Convent School in Butterworth and I saw the big cross still there.
are you sure?
is it a directive from the ministry or just some funny funny thing being raised in the parliarment ?

My advice: Jangan mudah melatah [never easily jump into conclusion]

GarisHalus [4th Edition]

who said so? look at St Michael Institution Ipoh, Ave-Maria Convent, La Salle KL etc etc

research is more important than reading

Adi Keladi

Well, who cares of what is written. Better look at what is actually seen. I can also see Crosses at the schools mentioned above, but I'm yet to see any Islamic symbols (like moon and star, which by the way is mistakenly taken as Islamic symbol) at any school. I studied in Muslim majority schools, but I never see any imam came to any of my schools to deliver public sermon, only closed ones in surau by ustaz but not imam.

??? tHe kNigHT-mArE!!!!

just live ur life......i hate religious question.....this is one of the many things that can disturb our unity......i have a lots of different religion friends and we have no trouble being together......and i agree with one of the answerer above....the united something.......everything have its pros and cons.......

Gigi the teeth

We are living in a Muslim country, what can we do? Sometimes when I hear or see that I felt "non of my business" but forced to listen also even don't understand a word at all.

naadiya.whatever

i really think its disrepectful to be quoting from the quran and the bible.especially when its done in bits and pieces without thorough study. misinterpretations are always started this way-by someone trying to show they are such smart asses.

i think the suggestion to bring down the crosses is a regardable one. it creates aneutral environment for children to at least study in. because you do not see public schools enforcing any religious symbols.

and which public school have their non muslims listening to the imam's sermons?? do you even know when these sermons are held??

geez, dude i think you really need to migrate. you're a threat to the stability of the nation.

reindeer_tractor

duh,it's MALAYSIA!!

i wish i dont even know or have anything to do with malaysia!

winterlotus

Why? Well, I guess it is approaching us all, gradually....
See who suggested it.....
http://salinankarbon.com/?p=523
---**zipped**---

P P

Wow, you all really write very very long statements .....

Well, in short, well-educated and open minded Muslims would respect all other religions, like most of the friends around me.

Currently, the old timers are so short-sighted that they only see the 'vision' of not more than 1 nm ...

Jedi,
You are the very few users here who ask proper questions, PP is always here to support good questions.

United-Champions,
Ya lor, everybody don't fight la, all religions are holy and good.

Jim H

In Malaysia, schools should not be associates with any movements or specified thougths especially politics and religions. Even if there are government funded muslim religion school but then the function is rather not to produce an enlightened muslim academicians/ulama'/even politicians as those who graduates from the school are ending up to be one of participants of Malaysian capitalism. Education in Malaysia is not about being religious or politically enlightened.. But to produce the human capital which meets the quality as stated by the country's National Mission..
To be precise.. Malaysia is not a muslim country; if they're muslim country then there'll be Islamic Law (known as Shariah and hudud) as well as their monetary system will be based on dinar (relatively relying on the value of gold)..same goes to economy system.. But reality they are worshipping capitalism very much where money, economy and statistics become the main subject of interest in discussion board to any news/media..and the leaders seems to empowering themselves to gain more from this system. Yet to be exact of all what i said, the country is only chasing the money and the value for certain people while several moslem people dreaming to build the Islamic nation but severely still dreaming of that then what about you?..What does it tells you if religion is only a custom and culture with a simple practice to every Malaysian and not a real way of life and the real way to produce the right human capital?.. Bring any imam/pope/priest for a sermon to the intended students.. I bet it'll be still the same.. Malaysia never cares about any religion..They are just capitalism worshippers.

United-Devils

just shush with the Al-Quran part...stop posting religious questions will u? and stop questioning other people's religion, even if u are an atheist, u do not have the rights to question other people's religion. it is a very sensitive issue, not that we're too shallow or whatever, we feel that statements without PROPER BASIS like these, are disrespectful. because we DO NOT even question other religions. there are also many contradictions about the bible (many have stated, in which i DO NOT REALLY CARE), and trust me, a lot can be said about OTHER religions too, but a sane person would at least try to ignore other people's religions' so called problems, and accept the diversity of religions of the people around them.

if u think that u are so smart, why dont u go and quarrel and state ur cases with a real ustaz or imam, ask the knowledgeable men and women about it, record it, and show us the video, and let us see the so called truth that u claim. i'd be glad and ill honour u if u can prove what you've said is right. this is yahoo answers, but certain answers cannot be found and obtained through this way. only intellects can identify what is to be asked and what is not, and please do review urself before posting questions.

if u hate most of the things that happen in this country, i do hope u get rich and migrate as soon as u can.

edit: P P, the question here is ok, i mean yes its a bit provocative, but its ok, but the explanations, bringing out verses in the Quran, while not knowing the true meaning of it, is disrespectful, its like questioning the truth of the religion...

edit no 2: jedi, with all due respect, did i even say i wanna live like the arabs? please stop putting words in my mouth. and thank you mr. Knight, i'm glad u got what i mean, thank god our friends with different religions do not behave like u know who.

johanssm

i would love to answer this question,but i already commented in Malaysia Today or m2day.
Perhaps Hindraf was nearly right about the "ethic cleansing" thingy.
Just need to find a better word for it.

This is the very reason as to why you all be registered as voters.
By doing so is not enough,if you dont go to the polling station on voting day. Last time my thinking was very pro-barisan.But no more.It is time for a change.
Do change for the better or worse.
This is the very reason as to why religions and politics must be separated.Do leave religion at home or places of worship.
Do not enforce on others

samaranch

Not all non christian people have the courage to face the truth. They feel the other religion as threat because they dont have self confidence in their faith themselves.

Effendi R

Well, that goes very well with the slogan: "unity through diversity" don't you think... The Malays (at least certain politicians) want to imitate the Saudi Arabians. I mean, they have to, because the Malays are Muslims, and thus they must imitate the Arabs (or so goes their train of thinking, because the rest of the world seems to imitate the Americans). Further: we have to eradicate the Muslim Malay culture, it is not true Muslim (but it has grown so wonderfully and uniquely since the 15th century in this country, and its people are Muslim, are they not?). Next step: remove all churches. Then: no more Christmas decorations in shopping malls, streets and outside private houses; no more Christian holidays. Then: veil up all women, and keep them away from all public work (teachers, doctors, drivers...). Ah, we'll surely progress much faster that way, and it will attract even more tourists....

Uh, good that this is only a proposal AT THE MOMENT. But the scenario could well look like above listed (minus of course the progress and tourists, so important for Malaysia's economy). Has not PAS once stated that if it should come to power it would transform Malaysia into a Taliban state?

Fortunately there are many intellectual Malays who have already asked 'why do we need to be like Arabs just because we are Muslims, don't we have our very own and unique culture in this country, the Malay culture?'. It needs more, many more of those, because they are enlightened!

-------

Yes, Matilda, we are lucky to be here... but that is how it starts... let's hope for the best for Malaysia and that reason prevails!

kool92

Malaysia is a democratic country and it guarantees freedom of religion, however, non-Muslims such as Buddhists and Hindus are having a hard time to practice their religion.

As a Muslim myself, I'm embarrassed of what my Muslim brothers/sisters have done to non-Muslim Malaysians. In the Medina Charter, the Prophet (pbuh) guarantees freedom of religion for non-Muslims (Pagans and Jews) in Medina and because of that, peace is observed everyday.

Malaysia does this to force non-Muslims to convert to Islam, they (The Government) are trying to expose non-Muslims to the Islamic Life, however, the beauty of Islam cannot be seen because it was done forcefully.

It is stated in the Holy Qur'an:
[2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion.

Malaysia is not Islam and so are the Islamic Countries that has no freedom of religion.

I repeat again, I'm not a CHRISTIAN and is a MUSLIM. I don't believe the basis of Christianity and therefore, I do not support Christianity by doing this. Many verses in the Bible contradicts each other and the scientific facts are not accurate.

REPLY TO Jedi Sapiens: I don't understand your question, do you mean the contradictions or the inaccurate scientific facts?
I do not point this because I hate or dislike Christians, I only dislike some of their belief (Islam has a lot of similarity to Christianity, so not all), not the people.
Contradictions in the Bible:
1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
* God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
* Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
* Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
* Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
* Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
* Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
* Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
* Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
* Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
* Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
* Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
* Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
* Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
* Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
* After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
* Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
* Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
* Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
* One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
* Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
* Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
* Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)

13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
* Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)
* Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)

14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
* Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
* Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)

15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
* Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
* Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?
* Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
* Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)

17. How many were the children of Zattu?
* Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
* Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)

18. How many were the children of Azgad?
* One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
* Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)

19. How many were the children of Adin?
* Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
* Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)

20. How many were the children of Hashum?
* Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
* Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)

21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
* Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
* One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)

22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
* 29,818 (Ezra)
* 31,089 (Nehemiah)

23. How many singers accompanied the assembly?
* Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
* Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)

24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?
* Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
* Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)

25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
* Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
* No (Joshua 15:63)

26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
* Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
* Hell (Luke 3:23)

27. Jesus descended from which son of David?
* Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
* Nathan(Luke3:31)

28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?
* Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
* Neri (Luke 3:27)

29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
* Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
* Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.

30. Who was the father of Uzziah?
* Joram (Matthew 1:8)
* Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)

31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?
* Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
* Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)

32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?
* Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
* But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

33. Who was the father of Shelah?
* Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
* Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)

34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
* Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
* No (John 1:19-21)

35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?
* Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
* No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?
* One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
* Two - a colt and an a*s (Matthew 21:7). They brought the a*s and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.

37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
* By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
* His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)

38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
* By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
* On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)

39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?
* Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
* No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.

40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
* Yes (Mark 6:8)
* No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)

41. Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
* Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
* No (Luke 9:9)

42. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?
* Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
* No (John 1:32,33)

43. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?
* Yes (John 1:32, 33)
* No (Matthew 11:2)

44. According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
* If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)
* Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14)

45. When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
* Yes (Matthew 21:12)
* No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17)

46. The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?
* Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
* No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)

47. Did Judas kiss Jesus?
* Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
* No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)

48. What did Jesus say about Peters denial?
* The c*ck will not crow till you have denied me three times (John 13:38)
* Before the c*ck crows twice you will deny me three times (Mark 14:30) . When the c*ck crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.

49. Did Jesus bear his own cross?
* Yes (John 19:17)
* No (Matthew 27:31-32)

50. Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?
* Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38)
* No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)

Here you go. I could go on but I stop here. I must admit that I only find a few of contradiction in the Bible because I didn't read all of them yet, my friend (who is online now and older than me) helps me because he has read (And research) the Bible and the Tanakh. He, too, finds a lot of contradictions in the Bible.

btw, I disagree with Christians encouraging debate with Evolutionist. Most of them disapprove the theory of Evolution and comes with no proof (Other than their Holy Bible's verse). Christians are not the only free thinkers, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists all are free thinkers. It's just that some Muslims in Malaysia have problems.

Matilda

em....maybe u can try live in dubai for a while....
then maybe u can see how lucky ur to be in malaysia....

nizE

if you think that you are being discriminate or something..change your citizenship and go to somewhere else..dubai maybe? face facts..u r living in a muslim country..u should be thankful that this country is a peace loving country eventhough the government is corrupted..

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