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Rubix Cube

Australians and tall poppy syndrome....?

Hey.

I don't mean to sound like one of those kiwis who move to OZ and complain about things here, but what's with the tall poppy thing you guys have got going here?

It's now that I'm actually starting to realise that it has a very strong presence here in OZ.

I feel as though no matter how hard I try at something, I always will be critizised and people telling me that things need improvment.

NEVER try to get to the top in something otherwise you will be brought down by the negative people around you who think that no one in life should get a head!

I see it all the time at my school! I do well at subjects, my friends start making fun of me (my other nation friends don't!).

I tell them what I have done, they say I'm bragging!

I then tell them that Australians have the tall poppy syndrome, and they say I'm a winging kiwi and to go back to nz!

ARRRR

Have any of you guys had any similar problems with Australians?

Not bagging the aussies, I really love them.

Thanks in advance :)
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Paul Fry's attidue is exaclty what I mean!

Speak out, and you get spoken agaisnt.

Yes, some kiwis have it too, but I notice it here more.

    



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fruitsalad
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Yes it's rampant in Australia, I think particularly in schools. I went to school in Switzerland for a year as a child and the kids there couldn't praise each other enough when someone did well at something, and it was all genuine. I don't really know why it comes about, but it is very unpleasant.


Annika1
Not ALL Australians are like that I am an Aussie and I really hate this too, SOME Australians are a bit stuck up, but not ALL.


Jenny J
can't say I have suffered this particular complaint but you know how it goes, head down and work your *** off, and any one who wishes to knock you for trying tell them to get stuffed ;)


kismet
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On the contrary I think Australians are very proud of other Aussie achievers. However, from my experience we don't think highly of braggarts or people who are "full of themselves". Better to be a "quiet achiever" than one who is in your face.


Living Legends. Still Rockin On!
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The "tall poppy syndrome" is a HUMAN problem...

Not just a nationality issue!


oceangirl78
It is true because similar things are happening to me.However,it is important not to generalise.Some people just simply don't like the fact if you are doing better than them.Others could not care less.Therefore, you can't say that all Australians are like that.


太陽ã®ç«œ Garyu (Gigayen)
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Yes, yes. I understand what you are saying. Seen it many times. Mostly in certain areas rather than others.

It is strongly related to the "put up or shut up" ethic, which is equally bemusing.

Australia is a mixture of social bliss and hell, (and the weather is consistent with this image. How else can one explain the East Coast floods in the middle of a "water crisis"? (The Sun-Herald, July 2006)). It can be very open and chummy. It can also make you feel very awkward. It seems that either you're in or you're not. Either you have been identified as one of them, or not. It doesn't matter about your individuality.

Your willingness to conform to their ways is paramount, (Sullivan, 1987).

BUT, this is not in all areas. It probably indicates something about the developmental roots of some areas not relevant in others. Or, it owes its existence to that which is reiterated upon in some areas, while other areas continue to forge a sense of identity, (Pendergast, 2004).

Some places remain very insular and stuck on old world views, (Sullivan, 1987, p.128). Others are more progressive, such as various parts of Sydney, where the sheer size and complexities of the city as a cosmopolitan state unto itself have driven many from the old ways of "you're one of us, or none of us" (DeVries, Coleman, et al., 2005).

Anyway, this state of society is best understood as the Australasian form of pride (DeVries et al., 2005) and it comes from a deep-seated belief that no-one is better than anyone else. The none-too-subtle assertion being "we are one class." The question for the analytical type is: why is this held?

It is a false belief, since, if it were true, then the country would not be divided into haves and have-nots... It would be a Marxist utopia (Thompson, Percott, 2001). I think it is also a reaction formation response to the knowledge of the regrettably humble (common) origins of the nation. It has a fractured identity at best (Thompson, 2006). Many, well into the 20th century, used to refer to "going home" as to return to England (ABC-TV, Australia Brocadcast: Englishmen Abroad: April 1988). England was home for many prior to being abandoned on an island one sweltering day 230 years ago, (Zeigelman, 1978, my paraphrase).

The reaction to this, as history texts show, was to quickly contrive an identity, separate from that of being English: True Blue. Dinky Di. Waltzing Matilda. Ned Kelly. Even today, many people refer to Australia as a place with nothing quintessentially Australian. It borrows phraseology from it's most powerful trade partner: the US. Have you noticed how so many people now end sentences with "So..." Example: "She said it would be all right, so...." This actually is an American oddity- however, when Americans use the expression it is usually followed by a further elucidating phrase. "She said it would be all right, So... we can just relax."

Back on track: From that slipshod identity building, (Hurst, Roache, et al, "Then the White Men Came," Allan Unwin, 2004), came the White Australia policy, (of the 1960s and on), which, texts will praise, was the basis for visiting South African delegates to form Apartheid theory on their return home. It's true nature, from the Australian ethos, was to defend the burgeoning identity of those who inhabited the island continent, (Kennilworth, 2000).

Being disassociated from any other nation makes for tough going. In Europe, there is a great melding and intermingling of cultures and creeds, and now they are various tones of all the one color, (Schleisen, 2003). Australia has been left alone, by contrast, like a child on the shore, dispossessed of contact,
interaction with other cultures, and thus it has formed a rather narrow self-concept, which is not open to challenge or change. It is rather fixated, (Hermann and Burgess, 1979).

But I have digressed:

To be perceived as better, (something out of one's control, anyway, as I have found out), therefore acts to touch a raw nerve that reminds the run-o-the-mill Australian of their humble heritage (Thompson, 2003). This heritage knowledge is passed through cultural interaction from one generation to the next (Carr, 1997). It forms a key concept of the cultural life script of the Australian society (Bassingthwaite et al, 1986).

Whenever an Australian acts out of the cultural life script, such as swathing down tall poppies, it is usually a defensive posture- they are acting in self-defense (Carr, 1997). They feel "not as okay" as their target, and so need to try and rectify the imbalance, to promote self-validation and protection from the original concept of their past (Hunt, 2008). So don't construe this as an attack on you as an individual.

Because you are a "Kiwi" they will also be harder on you until you break into the society a little more.

Though they claim they are multicultural, that does not necessarily translate into some egalitarian desire to treat all other cultures as mates (Conway, 1989). It simply denotes the fact that many from other countries go to Australia.

The sheer fact that the continent wants to be known as "multi-cultural" and not "united in culture and identity" should spell out tomes (Schleisen, 2000).

The how-to of being accepted in Australia is complex. They come from staunch Anglo-Celtic stock that are still renowned for their routine staunchness (Hershey, 2003). At the same time, there are no rigid rules, rhyme or reason (Carrington, Wood, 2001) - just as the Bart vs Australia Simpson's episode declares.

Still, it will kind of happen like this. They will deal with you in one of two ways: They will one day let you in, usually a rite of passage signified with an expletive (Johnson, Schmidt, 2002). (Be ready to use one back). Or, they will end up saying: "If you don't like it, why don't you leave?" (ABC-TV, Broadcast: "Legacies," August 12, 1987).

Hope that helps. I have provided as much as I had references for. It also helps that I am doing a Culture Dissertation, I guess.

Australians have been my source of joy, hope and hell. One thing is for certain: you always know where you stand with them :)

All the best.

Edit: The defense usually is "bad is found everywhere." Yes, but that is not the argument. The argument is- is it the norm everywhere? The answer is, of course not.

It is when dehumanizing, bigoted, one-eyed, hypocritical, or any other anti-social principle is legitimized as a normal social construct that problems exist in a society, (Tregear, 2002).

But, wherever that is true for- well, that is left for the eye of the beholder.


Ozmaniac
Some Australians act as you've described, but so do people from every other country and it's much worse with immature people such as you'll find at school.

Who cares if other people put you down for working hard or succeeding at something. They're only trying to bring you down to their level so they don't feel the need to excel at anything themselves. Ignore them and do your own thing and work even harder to be even better. Not everyone thinks as they do and the people who don't are far more worthwhile friends. If everyone listened to idiots who try to drag others down, no one would ever excel at anything and you know that many people do.

In years to come, when you have a satisfying and financially rewarding career and a great life, they'll still be just older versions of whatever they are now. If you don't want to end up like them, either grin and bear it or find new friends who will take pride in your achievements as good friends do.

And to the guy who gets his knowledge of the world from the Simpsons. Duh? Are you serious?


nicky1
mitchell hahaha


QLD RULES
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Ok mate I notice your a Kiwi, But to say Australia has a bad case of tall poppy syndrome is a bit rich, New Zealand probably has the worst case when it comes to this problem for example you Kiwis get envious when Kiwi born people make it big in Oz for example Russel Crowe you guys still whinge about him for all the bad things he does.

Isn't that some form of tall poppy syndrome, don't you think?

You have to realise Aussies are very proud people just like NZ but us Aussies dont mind if your rich and success full aslong as you dont look down on us ppeasants eg you and me....

If Australia had problem of been a bunch of Tall Poppy's why did we elect Kevin Rudd who is a millionaire

Oh and what about Oppostion Leader Malcolm Turnbull who is worth 160 million you dont see Aussies having a whinge do you, Instead we admire his achievements, well I do.

You need to keep it real bro, The Aussies you know are right STOP WHINGING I just think its a Kiwi trait of Aussie bashing thats all.

Get back to reality inbrace our country and you might get some more RESPECT........



midibaby
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome

a link regarding said syndrome [its more than just aussies that do it]


ok to answer you yes i have noticed ,no aussies wont believe you or care really ...........if you excell from the pack some say its cos you are a snob [i get it].......they are [those who subject others to TPS]afraid to try and suceed in case they fail...................but do you know what its every where .............many people [different countries] act like this sadly but yes aus is worst [also sore losers -you will notice later on].......btw i am pom lol ...i have lived in nsw for 2/3rd of my life lol[so dont even mention people calling you awhinger cos i have heard nothing but that for the last 20 yrs].........
have a good one


TEE-Boen
well on the episode of the simpsons where bart goes to australia they seem to come off as pricks and yes actually almost every australian thinks that they are better than everyone else so whats happening is that they see you doing better than them and then decide to make themselves feel better about themselves by making fun of you

friggen aussis





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