Did cham albanians help greece gain its independence from the ottoman turks?

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Pani

More than 90% of the Ottoman army was ALBANIANS (Chams and others).
Arvanites on the other hand not only they helped the Greek revolution but they are part of the modern Greek nation. many prime ministers and leaders of the Greek society was and is Arvanites

cpinatsi

Not quite. In the Middle Ages, some people of Albanian origin had come as "immigrants" -sometimes as merceneries at different historic phases - to Greece, and had settled in certain areas throughout Greece. They got so much assimilated into the Greek culture, that they felt totally Greek, and their origin didn't mean practically anything. They didn't even know they had Albanian national origin, as we know from historic sources that I can mention if you liek details. In fact, they mostly chose ancient Greek names for their children, at a time when Greeks usually had Christian names.
It was they who contributed to the war of Independence from the Ottomans, and not Albanians who remained with an Albanian national identity in Albania - and they fought together WITH the Turks against Greeks.

Vasiliki-Î’Î±ÏƒÎ¹Î»Î¹ÎºÎ®

Cham Albanian?No

Though ,some Arvanits did.(Botsaris,Bouboulina,etc).They helped TOGET|HER with the Greeks.Dont fool yourself.Note that those Arvanits,Felt more Greeks than ever.Even today's Arvanites say that they just share some common routes with the Albanians...

Cham Albanians ,on the other hand, collaborate with the NAZi AGAINST Greeks.
So what you can say is that Cham Albanians were against Greeks in the past and Arvanites were together.

Î¦ÎÏ„Î± Cheese in Love with Greece

I don't even know who these cham albanians are for starters. If they were so important, I guess I'd hear about them. But you seem to 'hear' a lot of unusual and provocative things for everyone and for a lot of nations.
I don't really know but you look a lot like an albanian or turkish troll.

makis

First of all dear fellow Greeks. Cham albanians and Arvanites are two completely different things. Arvanites where christian orthodox and where completely assimilated with the Greek population. Furthemore Chams where muslims, and whatever they did during the Ottoman period, during Nazi occupation it seems that THEY ASSISTED THE ENEMY, YES THE Nazis, as far as i know. The consequence was that they where not welcomed anymore in Greek territory after the war. Please dear Greeks report such questions to Yahoo Answers beacuse this site is about Travel and Greece not for Albanian Propaganda AGAINST GREECE

Dionysus

its a possibility, for there was a sizable population living in Greece and of those, a moderate proportion were Orthodox Christians

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kostascdsc

Chams or Arvanites? Arvanites did. I've never heard that about the Chams and my family is from Northern Epirus...but it could be. I doubt it only because they've always maintained that they want Greek land and have a right to claim it so I doubt they would help Greece. The only reason I can think that they would is because they have a sizable Orthodox population who might be desperate enough to break free from the Ottomans that they would help Greece.

Either way...the British and Greek governments ordered them to be kicked out and killed after World War Two...so if they did it was all forgotten by then. Its said that Cham Albanians helped the Nazis in World War Two...the fact is I would be a little conflicted if I were a Cham Albanain in World War Two because Axis powers control your country, and you think the country you live in is stealing you land and then the Nazis look more powerful (which they were). It was clearly a political thing, not a racially motivated alliance. Just as siding with Greece against the Ottomans would have been.

dan g

Cham Albanians No they did not help Greece gain its independence fromthe Ottoman Turks, they've never sided with Greece for anything. The Arvanites did help the cause. Cham Albanians were and still are Muslims so they sided with the Turks during the conflict. The Arvanites were Orthodox Christians who established a Greek identity so they sided with the Greek cause. Many might not be aware of this but quite a bit of the Greek revolution of 1821 was often a conflict between Orthodox Albanians(Arvanites) who defined themselves as Greeks and Muslim Albanians(Chams) who defined themselves as servants of the Sultan.

Cham Albanians also welcomed the Nazis with open arms. For the next three years, they fought with the Axis occupiers against the Greeks. They were responsible for the round-up and expulsion to Auschwitz and Birkenau of thousands Greek-Jews from Ioannina in April 1944. They withdrew to the Albanian side of the border when the Nazis fled. As for returning to Greece that would expose many of them to serious charges of war crimes, so they stay in Albania and were made Albanian citizens by Hoxa in the early 1950â€™s.

They sided with the Ottoman Turks during Greece's fight for independence and centuries later sided AGAIN against Greece this time they sided with Axis occupiers. So to answer your question no Cham Albanians did not help Greece gain anything.

emiliosailez

Didn't Count Ivan Orlov hire 20.000 Albanian mercenary fighters and imported them to Greece at the orders of Catherine the Great?

{~Â¿~} zZ

Maybe.

The Arvanites, however, have played a more prominent role in Greek independence. This is an undeniable fact!

Elaine

Arvanites did.

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