Do you think Turkey should be allowed to join the European union?

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Zoi ((Ζωή))

Byzantine Empire didn't own all of the territories in Europe, which were conquerred by the Ottomans.
Ottoman turkish occupation reached till Romania-Transilvania, which enjoyed a semi-automonous state of liberty.
Ottoman Empire had borders with Austo-hungarian Empire and with Russia.

The occupation of those lands didn't happen from one day to another. Just like any other fainomenon in history, it demanded A LOT OF TIME. So,don't imagine that it was a wealthy Byz.Empire and all of a sudden Turks invaded and occupied it.
Byzantine Empire was dieing at least a century before Ottomans' invasion to Konstantinopolis (Istanbul).It was paying taxes to the Sultan of Ikonium?, it hadn't gold to cut coins and that's why coins were made of silver at the last years.

So, Ottomans didn't steal a land,some things are bound to happen historicaly, as it was bound to happen the Greek Revolution of 1821, it was following the general national revolutions of the same period throughout Europe (a cause of the Enlightenment). Historical fainomena are products of the special conditions of their time.
All of the significant historical turns are made with very hard ways. Take a simple example, the split of USSR and of Yougoslavia and take the Reformation of Luthirus, which is indiffrent to Greeks and Turks, but significant for European history.It was established after many wars (30year war etc).

Also, 'the only reason' that they have the part of Europe they have, is A VERY LONG DISCUSSION, that you are not going to like if you are French, German,Italian (because they suddenly don't want them in EU).

It's not that I am Greek, but the Cyprus matter has to be solved, it is common sense.
If it is solved, why shouldn't they enter EU?
There have been started discussions already about Cyrpus.

Çetin

hi,

I still don't understands why our politicians insist on joining the EU. I cannot see any good benefit we can get.
Türkiye should wake up and route her way by herself.
No need of third party instructions.
Offers like "half membership/kısıtlı ortaklık" are perceived as not only discrimination, but also insult against us.
Türkiye is a country which has got , an open-minded and disciplined culture, with beautiful people, with a history of welcoming many civilisations - it is better off where it is rather than joining.
If we look at the growing economy and the young generation maybe they will be the Turkish citizens who will not want EU.
We should strengthen our alliance and start doing more business with Russia, China ,İran ,Syria,Free Irak, Turkic worlds and Middle Eastern countries.
We should be member of Shanghai Cooperation union same as our brothers.We don't care neither EU nor MU!
http://www.sectsco.org/
i also support to be member of the Non-aligned mouvement (NAM).
http://www.nam.gov.za/
I believe that there should be a referendum in Türkiye for EU membership as soon as possible, before any of the conditions are accepted.
Finally,i believe that Türkiye should not be part of EU and we don't forget that THE SUN is rising from EAST again.

btw,please read this link about wikipedia:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6947532.stm

Oekaki

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Of course, my guess is you are not even interested in answers, you just want to publicly state your (extremely shallow) opinion. "The only reason it has any territority in Europe is because it stold it from the Byzantine Empire in 1453." The ironic thing is, you are writing this from a land your ancestors brutally "stole" from its natives right around the same time. Or is it not stealing when Europeans do it? "Manifest destiny" my a s s.

Go read some books other than the Bible my friend.

luckyman

if you are an american wondering about Turkiye and Europe relations than i m a donkey.
probably you live in somewhere europe on wellfare and that you got nothing else to do than spending your little free income on minute soup.
i ve seen miserables like you are before.

xanthochroi

to cpinatsi: do you know that greek citizens (with turkish identity) in greece couldn't sell their houses, lands, cars, trucks,shops before 1990 even if they're ours moreover we couldnt get any credit from your government for repairing our houses or farming our lands you dont even know what you're talking about who cares europe

Super Gkomenara

My friend lost his house to the Turks during the invasion. Give him his house back (and those of the countless others who lost their homes).

As long as Cyprus is occupied illegally, the answer is NO, Turkey should not be allowed in the EU.

Maybe they would be welcome in the League of Arab Nations. Bye for now. More later.

Ronaun Ngambun

ha ha ha what a pity

Are u a Turkish? No
Are u an European union citizen? I don't think so
So Iy's not your business man! Just stay and hope your country will not be ruined by other country

Linktothepast83

If they should be allowed? They are being given their chances, so in a way it is all up to them. And Europe can have benefits from Turkey entering, as long as they can cover the European criteria, if not then Turkey will only be a burden. A partner is someone you can cooperate with, if you can't noone needs it.

Frankly my instinct tells me that they will blew it nevertheless ( i would be pleasantly surprised if they prove me wrong). Judging from the fact of how negative many of them see joining EU, that you can see even by the answers here, and the fact that they find insulting abiding to rules that don't come from one of their own (LOL) like everyone else does in a cooperation, and there you have it. In the end everyone is worthy of his own fate my friend.

Mia

Maybe the Turks should learn to recognize the Armenian Genocide before they try to join a civilized and peaceful union

No those savages should not join them

Bix

The question if Turkey should join the European Union or not has nothing to do with religion. The religious differences between an Orthodox from Greece, a Protestant from Denmark, a Catholic from Sicily, an Atheist from U.K, a Jew from Belgium, a Muslim from France and if you want a Buddhist from Sweden are enormous. The European Union wasn't founded on the grounds of the Church but by the will of nations to collaborate together within a legal system, which should facilitate the relations between these countries and in order to install peace on the European continent.

If you are a European you should be ashamed of yourself that you minimize the meaning of the European Union to a "Club of Christians".

Europe in the sense of the European Union is most of all a geopolitical term and not a geographical. This is not the same thing.

I make it easy for you to understand what that means. France has 4 departments very far away from Europe: French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Martinique and Réunion. The population of these departments are citizens of the European Union. Geographically they don't have anything to do with Europe and believe me that they don't look like the "typical European" if such things exists. However, as French citizens they are part of the European Union.

The question is therefore, if Turkey is politically a country with European roots. This is not an easy question to answer. However, one thing is for sure. A far bigger part of Turkey is geopolitically in Europe than geographically. Besides that, there are millions of well integrated Turkish citizens who live in Europe. Nevertheless, there are many Turkish people in Turkey and in Europe who have nothing to do with Europeans. I don't see anything European in Diyarbakir...

This mix makes it very difficult that Turkey could join the European Union. Besides that, Turkey is a very big country with a population of more than 70 million. This would make a major player of Turkey within the European Union and I'm not sure if such a development is wanted by the other key players.

Priscilla Duck

You could have posted this question in the International Organisations section, but perhaps you know that you are more likely to encounter informed debate there and wish to avoid it..

The only reason why any country exists at all is because it appropriated territory from someone at sometime in it's history, so I don't see your point there. Turkey is not a third world country. Have you travelled extensively through the region? It would appear not. It is also a fiercely secular country. Women are not allowed wear the veil if they work in public service positions, although there have been some recent calls by Turkish women's rights groups to have this ban to be lifted.The army backs the secular movement and would probably stage a coup if the Islamic fundamentalist party seemed likely to gain full power.

Having said all this, I do not believe Turkey is ready for entry to the EU. It's human rights record has yet to be brought in line with EU standards, it's economy, while improving is still shaky, it's accession would mean the EU would then share a border with Iraq, a security risk I certainly would not wish to inherit just yet, and granting open-market open-border status would lead to increased migration in a Europe that is increasingly xenophobic and racist, which could lead to tension and conflict.

There are plenty of reasons why Turkey should be denied entry just now, but the ones you have stated are not some of them.You might try understanding the issue in future and use reasoned logic in your arguments rather than misinformed sectarian rhetoric.

Silindi

GAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!
U just make me sick.... so do answerers who already forgot the fact that there was life before their EU membership. It's so easy to shrug and judge, isn't it? Anytime I see these kind of ignorant answers I'm ashamed of myself that we belong to the same unity.

Bix and Keyser, you are absolutely right.

EU membership is about UNITY BUT NOT UNIFORMITY!!!!

Baris Awareness

Your right most Americans
could give a fly in puck if
turks get in the EU, PU,
FU, there to busy taking
care of their own business
to be minding someone
else's.

Siobhan T

i think the people of turkey should be able to vote if they want to become part of the EU then when that has been decided the other countrys of the EU should vote to decide weather they want turkey to be part of the EU.

Keyser

your lack of education is frightning.

turkey is a developed country it is not a 3rd world country.turkey is not an islamic state and its land is in eurasia not in the middle east.

turks have been in europe for 800years and have alot of european culture in thier history.

joining the european union is NOT 'joining europe'.europe to me doesnt even exsist atall.its a land mass,thats all it is.so many cultures and so much difference between 'european' nations proves absolutly NO BROTHERHOOD between any 'europeans'.

stop trying to put up this stupid fake idea that all current 'european people' are all friends and sit at the same dinner table ,cos it doesnt happen.

id like to see en englishman go and live in bulgaria,id love to see an italian go and live in the ukraine.huge cultural differences,they r not the same people ok?

noone wants an american view on europe anyway,u have enough inequality in ur own country to sort out.

..Tolia..

James,

I have a question for you too.

what is European Union? what was it created for?

is it a group of "superior" countries, consisted by people of a specific race/religion/education etc?

It is just an ECONOMICAL POLITICAL UNION!

It maintains a common trade policy, with aim to develop a single market through a standardised system of laws which apply in all member states, guaranteeing the freedom of movement of people, goods, services and capital.

Now,tell me again

why Turkey shouldnt participate???

Lady S

I don't think you're American. They are usually too ignorant to know anything about Turkey and its political issues (no offence), let alone to mention 1453... LOL :)

Anyway, this question has been asked here many times and I will give the same answer as I always do: I think the Turkish people should be the ones to decide whether they want to enter the EU or not. If they decide they want to, I think they should be let in the EU, of course after they fulfill all the requirements as the rest of the EU members.

ՎԱՀԷ

EU can seriously think of Turkey's EU membership, only when Turkey becomes de facto European.
EU is expanding and I don't think if there be the opportunity to expand the bloc, European politicians will hesitate if for example that country isn't located in Europe.
The problem, I think, is that EU can not accept countries that are not based on European lifestyle and values of European society. Because it will damage Europe's unity.
Turkey is expecting EU entrance for 30 years. All Europe has done and could have done is helping Turkey in the process of becoming European, i.e. sharing European values. That's what I mean of becoming de facto European.
The issue of granting Turkey an EU membership can be discussed only after that situation is reached, which will be, then, a political issue. And will have some pros and cons.

porsche928s4

turkey needs to join the EU,for more reasons than you care to know,it wants to lose it present identity unfortunately there is a big fear factor with the rest of europe,turkey has more to offer the western alliance than most of its members,what benefits does the greeks or belguim bring to the security of europe,it has excellent opportunities for industries than any other

Just Another Macedonian

Why not? If some of their neighbors can be EU members despite everything, why not them?

dvatwork

Eventually Turkey may become part of the European Union. Many issues need to be resolved first. The first that comes to my mind is CYPRUS........

But anyway, Turkish aggression and human rights violations are keeping Turkey out of EU.

krissukristel

I know most of Turkey is in Asia, and little bit is in Europe!
Adding the fact that they are muslim country, I'd say no!
I'mm trying not to discriminate muslims here. I myself am NOT christian nor do I belong to any other religion group!
But I do have to say that muslims seem to struggle with European values. Even a lot of muslims born in Europe believe in honour killing etc. So I would vote for no

MaCeDonIan PhaLanX

Yes my dear greek boy! Turkey should be allowed to join EU!
If your beloved country can be member of EU (not deserved), why not Turkey!
Greetings from Macedonia!

cpinatsi

I'd say no, not because they are Muslim or 3rd world or anything. But Turkey has a lot of issues to resolve in its regime, the role of the army in politics, the relations with her neighbours, etc. Do you know that a Greek cannot buy a house on the Bosphorus, because you'd have to get permit from the army - and a Greek never would, of course? Where in Europe does the army give permissions as to who can buy a house or not?

Vasiliki-Βασιλική

Not yet.
Its not about being Muslim neither that Turkey lies in Eurasia.(not middle east)
Is about that needs to solve some issues.
There is an analytical chart in this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey%27s_accession_to_the_eu

Dr White

Turkey would fit in better on this list than next to pure white European countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_countries_by_population

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