Do you think the headscarve has become a European problem, too?

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Yeva

I just moved out of Marseilles, France. And, oh yes, head scarves are considered to be a HUGE issue in France. There are a lot of women in Marseilles who wear head scarves, as there is a huge Muslim population there.

In my opinion this issue is more complicated than it might seem from the surface. On one hand, these women are sometimes forced to wear certain clothes, they are forced to stay at home and be "bare foot and pregnant", and finally they are basically "sold" into marriage. On the other hand, it's not always like that. In Marseilles' universities there are plenty of female students who wear head scarves, and when they are at that level of education they really aren't forced to do anything anymore, and yet they still wear the scarf, don't eat pork, don't drink alcohol and might even agree to an arranged marriage (because, yes, there are girls who are not forced to marry, they seek the arranged marriage themselves). So, how do you differentiate between the two? They don't look all that different when you see them on the street. And obviously in the first case some remedy is needed, whereas in the second case why would we want to make the woman go against her choices? After all "freedom" does mean to be "free" to do as one chooses.
So, it's a difficult issue that really hasn't be resolved in Europe and, in my opinion, can't be resolved so easily.

I-M-B

Yes, it has become a big issue also in UK, France,Germany,Netherlands, Belgium, etc...
The problem is more complicated there, because many Muslims there accuse the local people of racism, and many local people become even more racist because many Muslims abuse the right of religion.
And many women wear heardsarves only because they don't want to forget their roots in a christian background, and the headscarf has become a kind of symbol of "resistance"...
The problem has also become even more complicated in France , because there are more than 5 millions Muslims, and at least more than 2 millions are actually French citizens( after naturalization). And there are also thousands of French women who converted themselves to Islam...
So that's really a serious problem...

DejaVu

They now see it as trouble in EU as well, I have witnessed problems on headscarves and black clothing in Britain in schools, (as that's sort of giving your personal beliefs away, in schools we are not Muslims or feminists or communists etc. but we are students that should not be forgotten,) they thought it was the freedom first but then again one night on BBC news they showed Turkey as an example country and said Turkish laws deal ed with it in best way, now we are about to lose something made us better that's freedom of not showing your personal beliefs..

if people cant wear bikinis in a classroom they should not wear headscarves either then..so thats actually a treat to freedom

..Tolia..

I never understood why this is a problem!

Its not important what a person chooses to wear..We have seen everything, why a headscarve should be an exception?

People have tattoos, earrings,piercing, dressed with simple, or complicated or even light clothes!
we dont argue for it why should a headscarve matter?

I think the fear behind this is the Islamic threat
In many people minds headscarve is an expression of deep Islamic feelings and beliefs
Thus the problem is not what a person wears on its head. Problem is whats inside of it!

:)

I have said million of times that fanaticism can only create trouble and despair

YveyK

I tend to have controversial views, but I am not averse to anyone practicing their own religion but I don't think that if you live in a western society, which is prevalently Christian, it is not acceptable to exclude certain groups from mixing to the fullest with the society in which they reside. There is an old saying that 'when in Rome, do as the Romans do', I think this applies to all incomers, regardless of their country or culture of origin.
As a teenager, my peers were not allowed to wear trousers to school on snowy winters day, but the Sikh girls could. Now that is discrimination against the natives!

Selena

I get the impression that people forgot in what time we are living....there are airplanes and that means people are moving much more and all over the world than 100 years ago. Our world has so many interesting and colorful cultures and we are all living together in one world....it is called globalization...and it should respect all people and their beliefs. Making such a big fuss over a simple headscarve is just ridiculous! In the 50's men were wearing hats and so did women a bit earlier...that was never a problem. If we continue this way, there will only be rules and we will all end up with dictatorships. Everybody should be free to do what s/he wants.

garrisonbight

I have NO USE for people who move to another country with a different culture and language then INSULT THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE by insisting on keeping their old ways.

If they want to keep the weird and stupid belief systems... then they need to GO BACK HOME.

edd

All the religious and ethnic unworthy demands that clash with the way we live and tolerated by the European governments under the banner of Human Rights and Democracy will now **** them up and then they will understand what we,the secular ones, are suffering from.
I do not know the English equivalent for this Turkish proverb.
''Bir musibet bin nasihatten iyidir''

ignoramus

Western society has tolerated any number of outlandish beliefs for centuries - and still does.

It is not the belief itself which is the problem, it is the flaunting of it , and the arrogance of advocates who insist on advertising their differences and claiming the right to change society to suit their own purposes.

What causes problems is people who choose to go and live in a different society, to enjoy the rights and privileges which the people in that society have struggled (and probably fought ) to establish, and then abuse those by trying to impose their own standards - this is the threat to freedom.

One contributor has already quoted the appropriate aphorism --- "When in Rome ...."

Leonarda

Ayran,i prefere to see covered women than all those who with the excuse of baby sitter enter in the houses of married women and they try to steal their husbands.The covered women do not disturb anyone, it is a tradition for them, as it is for the christians to wear cross.
They are innocent people, and I never heard that they seperated families.
Something else:Many europeans have made themselves rich in their countries.So, it is their right to wear what they want.If in some countries we cant be so opened, it is their traditions that we have to respect..

Qu'est ce que tu pense?

It's definitely a problem. Even here in the US it's a problem. I think that if you have a kid with a headscarf and they need to go to school...then get rid of the headscarf. Schools are a place of learning, not religion. If they wanted to incorporate their religion, then the parent should homeschool their child. Plus, the headscarfs are silly. It's like me going to school and telling the headmaster/principal that I need to wear my bathing suit in class, because showing off skin is part of my religion. If I wanted to do that, my parents should just homeschool me.

Edit- I forgot to mention that it's ok to wear a headscarf outside of school, but I still stick to my opinion that schools shouldn't allow them.

chrisvoulg1

YES! for headscarve is nothing but a vanguard and Troyan horse dor the imposition of fundamentalist Islamic Culture in Christian Europe....

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