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Greeks, Turks, Bulgars?

2 years ago I read about a research of a Bulgarian Professor İvo Kremenski. According to him nowadays' people in greece, turkey and bulgaria have the same genetics. He says it is because in middle ages many turks became muslim and after ottomans many bulgars and greeks became muslim. He also claims that the tribes came to anatolia were not as much as the natives. Do you have any other knowledge about it?
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sorry "in middle ages many turks became christian" i wrote wrong.

    



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ziggy
If you see the people you will find from the first glance that we don't have Slavic looks as Bulgarians. (I would not mind having the body of a Russian girl!!) We do share genes with the Turks because of the 400 years of occupation- it's only natural that we would after all that time...

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Марияна от България
Just look at me! My grand-grand parents lived in Greece, but they are Bulgar. When I was in university, Greeks told me that I look like Greek, Indians- that I look like Indian. One Turkish woman from my town told me that I look like Turk. I think that I'm just Bulgar by nationality, but Turks were our enslavers so many years. So?!?! It's true, people in Balkans are mixed.
I don't mean marriages. Turks just raped or abducted Christians women.


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This should be interesting:


AEGEAN PART OF MACEDONIA AFTER THE BALKAN WARS

Partitions and Colonization

After the Balkan Wars (1912-1913), the First World War (1914-1918) and especially after the Peace Treaties of Lausanne (1923), which gave the Macedonian issue a central place, there began a great ethnic cleansing of Macedonians, who in 1912 had numbered 374,000, from the Aegean part of Macedonia. Disregarding the principle of respect for minority rights within existing states, the negotiations in Lausanne accepted the principle of an obligatory resettlement of Christians from Turkey (Greeks, Turkophones, etc.) and of Moslems from Greece (Turks, Macedonian Moslems, etc.). Under the convention for obligatory emigration, 350,000 Moslems were expelled from the Aegean part of Macedonia. 40,000 of these were Macedonian Moslems. In place of the Macedonians expelled to Bulgaria and Turkey (a total of 126,000) the Greek state resettled 618,000 persons of Greek and non-Greek origin in the Aegean part of Macedonia. This heterogeneous population, colonized in the Aegean part of Macedonia in the period between the two world wars, came from other parts of Greece, as well as from Asia Minor, the Black Sea region, the Caucasus, western Thrace, Bulgaria and other places. The large majority of the refugee Christian population was settled in villages throughout the Aegean part of Macedonia, thus creating what has become known as the village, or agricultural, colonization; and a smaller number were colonized in towns, creating the so-called urban colonization. 134 This large colonization effected by Greece resulted in a major change in the historical status of the Macedonian language. Once the language used by most, it was now afforded only the status of the language of a minority, or the status of a family language, which was spoken by 240,000 Macedonians. The large ethnic changes were the cause of changes in the status of the Greek language as well. From being the language of a minority, it now became the most used language, being imposed even on the Armenians, the "Turkophones", the in-comers from among the various Caucasian peoples, etc. With the imposition of the Greek language and with the help of mixed marriages, a new Greek nation was being created in the Aegean part of Macedonia. The colonization by this population, whom the Macedonians called madziri (in-comers, foreigners), resulted in the Aegean part of Macedonia losing its Macedonian ethnic character. The Macedonians (240,000) became a minority; they were present as a majority only in the western part of the Aegean part of Macedonia (Kostur, Lerin and Voden regions). The large colonization brought about by the Greeks was followed by a law passed by the Greek government in 1926 on the change of the toponymy of the Aegean part of Macedonia. All villages, towns, rivers and mountains were renamed and given Greek names. The Greek state achieved this through a policy of state terror. As early as the period of the Balkan War of 1913 Greece had begun the ethnic genocide of the Macedonian people. The cruelty displayed by the Greek soldiers in their dealings towards the Macedonian people was merciless. Following the political partition of Macedonia in 1913, Greece launched upon an active policy of the denial of the nationality and the assimilation of the Macedonians. The name Macedonian and the Macedonian language were prohibited and the Macedonians were referred to as Bulgarians, Slavophone Greeks or simply "endopes" (natives). At the same time, all the Macedonians were forced to change their names and surnames, the latter having to end in -is, -os or -poulos. With the denial of the Macedonian nation went the non-recognition of the Macedonian language. It was prohibited, its standing was minimized and it was considered a barbarian language, unworthy of a cultured and civilized citizen. Its use in personal communication, between parents and children, among villagers, at weddings and funerals, was strictly forbidden. Defiance of this ban produced Draconian measures, ranging from moral and mental maltreatment to a "language tax" on each Macedonian word that was uttered. The written use of Macedonian was also strictly prohibited, and Macedonian literacy was being eliminated from the churches, monuments and tombstones. All the churches were given Greek names. The attacks on the Macedonian language culminated at the time of Ioannis Metaxas (1936). General Metaxas banned the use of Macedonian not only in everyday life in the villages, in the market-place, in ordinary and natural human communications and at funerals, but also within the family circle. Adult Macedonians, regardless of their age, were forced to attend what were known as evening schools and to learn "the melodious Greek language". The violation of the ban on the use of the Macedonian language in the villages, market-places or the closed circle of the family caused great numbers of Macedonians to be convicted and deported to desolate Greek islands.


emiliosailez
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Logically no one can claim with any veracity to be pure anything any more. Actually we are that which the environment we grow up dictates. The Albanians that came to Greece in the 1700s are now Greek. How about Miltiades Evert or Terrence Quick? Can anyone claim they are not Greek? Try to tell them and see how they respond.


ImAllGQ
lay off the drugs a little bit.


helleneda
Theres your answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY-yJTDcOmc


Archer1
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Well many researches have been conducted regarding genes if nations are related to each other.I will tell you about one research not conducted by 1 person but by a group of people around the world: that all human have the same
ancestor. This was a project that examined the Y chromosome that can be found only in men. If this is true then everybody's is related! So the answer of your question can be very easy and clear without hidden fanaticism or nationalism. If only we could understand that in the end and in the beginning all human people are the same!

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/0624_050624_spencerwells.html


Totally Blunt
I just think Greeks and Bulgars should stop the enslaving rhetoric.

What would they feel if WE started to use it, like, "We enslaved you for hundreds of years, hahahaha!"

If Ottomans enslaved you, then Romans enslaved you, the Macedonian Empire enslaved you, any conquerer that passed from your lands enslaved you. Either be fair and call all of it enslavement, or just make peace with your history.

And genes keep on mixing even today! There can be no pure race when empires are concerned! Duh!

Edit: Yeah, get OVER it already! You are boring everybody!


I_got_the_wow_effect
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Um wow no i do not have any knowledge about it but it doesnt seem right to me.


Myrina
Mixed marriages between Greeks and Turkish didn't really happen during the Ottoman occupation of Greece. No Greek would marry a Turk back then unless force was used. The issue of race and religion was very important.
Yet, the Ottomans used to take many Greek young boys by force and make them soldiers to fight back their own people: these were called ''genitsaroi''. Also, in the areas of Pontos and Kappadocia many Greeks were forced to change their religion and become muslims, otherwise the Turks threatened to kill them. However, those people knew that they were Greeks and many of them kept their Christian faith in secret. The point is that mixed marriages could have happened there, certainly not in the area of present time Greece - unless force was used, of course.


Kimon
I can see myself being a Turk, no problem. There is no way in hell to be Bulgarian though.


Vasiliki-Βασιλική
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its possible some of them to be mixed....greeks were 400 years under ottoman empiran and they lived in a part of now-turkey until 1922.
same genetics...???i dont think that the right word,though
now for bulgarians...even if i live in north greece for many years i have never meet any greek-bulgarian..



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