Have you seen any changes in the amount of people who deny genocides in Turkey?

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ღ♥Goxy♥ღ

You don't have to live in Turkey to have some factual knowledge on this. There are polls of public opinion and a genocide involving a staggering figure of human lives lost, (in this case Armenian, as I'm assuming you're referring to this painful issue in the Turkish society) is a matter of concern of a wider community. The world will not let this be an internal matter of Turkey. From what I have seen, heard and read in the media, the state is not changing. There's an official state policy that there was no Armenian genocide committed by the Turks and this matter is closed as far as they're concerned.

But the really important thing is: why can't it at least be discussed? Why is it not allowed to talk about it, not even in a public forum like this one? Further to my opinion on the tone of messages of the Turkish users to the forum, please may I reiterate that they should in no way wish to stifle debate, be it negative or positive. We - other users - simply request that Turkish members keep the tone of their postings measured so that everyone feels comfortable to contribute. Without that, all this has no sense.

fidget

I've lived in Turkey for fifteen years. It used not to be talked about, now it is. The opinions probably haven't altered though.

bibibi

Yes but not in the amount of people who deny the Armenian genocide but in the amount of Genocides that they deny.

What you'll see here is that they are only list what have been done to them (many of these are false btw) but they don't mention their own crimes.

Pontic Greek genocide had 350.000 victims.Noone can deny this.Those people were brutally killed because they were Christians...
If this is not a genocide then what is it?

What about the Chios Massacre ?The Smyrne catastrophe ?

Leprechaun

Firstly i feel the need to correct your statement that it is not "denying" it's rejecting a false claim.There's huge difference between them.

Secondly,most of the people heard what had Armenians done to Turks from the first hand, from the witnesses of the cruelty.So they know it was not the Turks who committed a crime,it was the other way around.

I recommend you to pick the words wisely.(if you did not write that on purpose of course)

ՎԱՀԷ

I can't say it increased or not, since I don't live in Turkey.
The genocide denial in first step is by the Turkish state, not people and as far as the state bans Turkish (or non-Turkish) historians from speaking about the genocide - they refer to it as 1915 events - I believe things won't change.

It's really wondering (really wondering) that Turkey bans historians from independent work INSIDE Turkey (remember the famous 301 article) while comes up with the claims of forming a 'commission of historians' between Armenia and Turkey!

Who will believe Turkey is sincere or even serious (!) in this demand with Armenia?!

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@ Keyser:
Man, for the number of people died, I don't even want to argue as it shoudn't be the point of discussion in genocide studies.
I might even disagree and say you're wrong and there was systematic extermination of the Armenian population of Anatolia.
I just wanted to say, for your information that if you think forced resettlement can not be a genocide, you are wrong. it is.

♥Barış Awareness♥

Here is my opinion, please
feel free to note it; An Armenian,
a non-Turk, and I am not sure
but she dunno know anyway
gave you their opinion, the
others have just given you
a valid reason never to ask
a Turk's opinion again..haha
And sorry I am not Turk or living in
Turkey, but what I have observed
is there is a lot more Turks who do
recognize it, than we are led
to believe. And because
Turkey's image has been
badly affected from arresting and jailing
people for speaking out against
the denial, the laws might be
lessened to increase
Turkey's EU chances.
But anyway even if every Turk
is allowed to recognize
the extreme nationalists will
always have all the power there.

Zmaj Od Bosne

Turkey didn't do any genocides.

snowshey3

turkey is good. right around thanksgiving. yum

greetings_losers

Oh well, so forced resettlement, as far as Ive learned from the guy who has Armenian characters as his nickname (sorry cant read them) is genocide.
Ok well then lets see what else should be considerered as a genocide:
-Greeks of Cyprus who proclaimed that the costituiton that was agreed upon is not valid anymore. They also started to kill civilian Turks at the same time. NO ONE recognized this as a genocide.
-Belgians who converted Congo a dependency of theirs. At least 11 million Congolese natives were killed either directly or when they were forced to work for the well being of their Belgian masters (in 1890s). NO ONE recognized this as a genocide.
-Greeks who actually killed Jews and Turks of Pelloponessos as soon as they gained their independance. No single Turk or Jew was left. The luckiest one got to run. the rest got BRUTALLY murdered. NO ONE recognized this as a genocide.

The list goes on my friend. Now only cuz Armenians are able to propagate better than others, are we to accept their false claims? Relocating happened and people died during the process. Turks and other muslim population had paid before Armenians had to pay. So what is the catch in here? What is the definition of a genocide? If it is the one that Germans do, then shouldnt all mass deaths (even not mass murders but deaths) are genocides?

*Coughs* Gimme a foggin' break, will you

Keyser

Look,

when an event so serious as the death of so many people happens,u have to take this sersiouly.when turks deny the armenian version of history as well as armenian supporters,then that doesnt make them 'genocide deniers'.it makes them deniers of a certain point of view.it is NOT universal gospel that there was systematic mass killings of armenians by turks,there is no proof either,and the small proof which exsists is contested and shaky.

its not atall respectable to play with such important subjects as claims of genocide.to this day the armenian push for turkey to accept thier view of history has turned into a crusade which lacks any honorable aspects.

u want us to accept the word 'genocide' as it would put the ottoman regime on par with nazi germany,and im sorry,but its not going to happen.

300,000 armenians were MARCHED into the dessert forceably.and by that i mean slow walking at gun point.not squashed into trams together freezing like the jews.once outside 'turkish zones' they were left to fend for themselves and many perished of hunger and sickness.

turks didnt construct death camps,didnt experiment on armenians,didnt pull the gold from thier teeth and melt it down,didnt medically examine strong armenian males and use them as slave labour,didnt stack and burn bodies in mountain high piles...

turks marched them out of the country and left them to thier own devices.

THAT IS NOT GENOCIDE.

Hülya

Why do you think that 30 millions of African slaves and 50 millions of Native American Indians don't deserve your sympathy?
Do you think that an Armenian'life worths more than Africans and Indians's lives?

Trotsky vs Kerensky-дахэ дэи

I beg your pardon? I can assure you that Turks share the grief of Jews, Africans and Bosnians. Can you please clarify what you mean by "people of Turkey refuse to accept genocides" ?

TEAL'C

I agree with Leprauchen and Keyser...

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