What happened to the approximately 50000 of Greek citizens of Turkish origin?

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Totally Blunt

Greek government says it isnot 50,000, it is 60,000.

"According to the Greek government, between 1955 and 1998, approximately 60,000 individuals were deprived of their citizenship under Article 19. Of these 60,000, approximately 7,182 lost their citizenship between 1981 and 1997."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_of_Western_Thrace

George

Hi Taraxia,

I read your link and I found out that :

According to official statistics 46,638 Muslims (most of them being of Turkish origin) from Thrace and the Dodecanese islands lost their citizenships from 1955 to 1998, until the law was non-retroactively abolished in 1998.

TURKS LOST THEIR GREEK CITIZENSHIP.

But I kept on reading the links related to that wikipedia article and I found out that:

There were MURDERS by turks against Greeks in Imvros and Tenedos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbros#Intercommunal_relations

GREEKS LOST THEIR LIFES. Couldn't the turks, just take their citizenship?

There were MURDERS against the Greeks of Constantinople also...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Pogrom

THOSE PEOPLE NEVER DID ANYTHING BAD TO THE TURKS. NEVER ! THEY HAD TO DIE FOR BEING GREEK.

COULDN'T YOU JUST TAKE THEIR CITIZENSHIP ?

You had to do it the turkish way I guess.

Vasiliki-Î’Î±ÏƒÎ¹Î»Î¹ÎºÎ®

I ll give you the same answer (another 2 points)

What did happened to the 200.000 Greeks who were after the treaty of Lausanne and now they were eliminated to 1.500??

Do you remember the Instabul pogrom in 1955??

Do you remember how many bisinesses,homes and churches YOU destroyed???

Linktothepast83

Ok, i will answer it as frank as i can, since you like to be frank about these things.

You are trolling. Why?
"Are they still being harassed and their rights abused in Greece?"
You make a statement with a question together. Is this your idea of not provoking people? Also the wikipedia link you provided us answers partially your question so what is your point?

"Another controversial issue was Article 19 of the Greek Citizenship Code, which allowed the government to revoke the citizenship of non-ethnic Greeks who left the country. According to official statistics 46,638 Muslims (most of them being of Turkish origin) from Thrace and the Dodecanese islands lost their citizenships from 1955 to 1998, until the law was non-retroactively abolished in 1998.[11]."

So it WAS a controversial issue, since the law was abolished ten years ago. Also just read when the law was voted. Was it in 1955 perhaps? What happened then in Constantinople? Did this happen perhaps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Pogrom

My guess is that law was an answer to what happened then. No it is not right, but neither what happened to those people in Constantinople was right. And if you want to compare them, what happened in Constantinople is thousand of times worse than that.

"Thirty-two Greeks were severely wounded. In addition, dozens of Greek women were raped, and a number of men were forcibly circumcised by the mob. 4,348 Greek-owned businesses, 110 hotels, 27 pharmacies, 23 schools, 21 factories, 73 churches and over a thousand Greek-owned homes were badly damaged or destroyed.
The pogrom greatly accelerated emigration of ethnic Greeks from the Istanbul region, reducing the 150,000-strong Greek minority in 1924 to about 2000.[1] The number seems to be recovering since then, being over 5,000 in 2006.
The church of Yedikule was utterly smashed, and one priest was dragged from bed, the hair torn from his head and the beard literally torn from his chin. Another old Greek priest [Fr Mantas] in a house belonging to the church and who was too ill to be moved was left in bed, and the house was set on fire and he was burned alive. At the church of YenikÃ¶y, a lovely spot on the edge of the Bosporus, a priest of 75 was taken out into the street, stripped of every stitch of clothing, tied behind a car and dragged through the streets. They tried to tear the hair of another priest, but failing that, they scalped him, as they did many others."

So i ask you, can you even compare the two situations?
No we are not saints and every person has his own limits, call it a small revenge or whatever you want. If you ask me, i still wonder how we managed to be so calm in atrocities like that, with a stupid law being our worst answer.

Here is what a Turk said about what happened in Constantinople.

""I was in the street that day and I remember very clearly," said Mehmet Ali Zeren, 70. "In a jewelry store, one guy had a hammer and he was breaking pearls one by one." "Good people, good friends (the Greeks) but the army wanted to evaporate non-Turks."

At least we didn't try to "evaporate" non-Greeks, neither we killed them, or rape them, or burn them alive, or cut their things in public, nor attacked their houses now, did we?

Closing, yes it did happen IN THE PAST, yes it WAS wrong, but we are not saints to respond to hellish situations with a perfectly good manner mister. Go complain about the past somewhere else. And learn to make some self - criticism first, before you start criticizing others.

Vergina

Not sure what Greek citizens you are referring to.
If you refer to the Turkish minorities in Thace, Greece I got this info from the link of wikipedia article you gave in your question:

"The minority enjoys full equality with the Greek majority, and prohibition against discrimination and freedom of religion are provided for in Article 5 and Article 13 of the Greek constitution.[4] In Thrace today there are 3 muftis, approximately 270 imams and approximately 300 mosques.[5]"

Anna Komnini

"Oh i am another Turk full of inferiority complex towards Greeks...

I forget what we did to them..."

Do you say this words before you go to sleep?

Mark II

This is interesting, do you have any links about it? Or can you tell us?

Edit: I can't understand what are you talking about. Please give us more information about this interesting case.

Edit: I met ultra nationalists Greeks and it's nothing like you talk about. The Greek nationalists, see Greeks everywhere and they accept everybody who feels Greek.

Is this question a personal attack or something? Because it makes no meaning.

nakis

this is a lie!! greece is one the most democratic country because we born the democracy... i do not believe that this exist. greek behaviour to turks is the perfect but unfortunately our brothers to imbros and to tenedos live under turkish terrorist. they cannot come to greece because turkish goverment will take their homes.

Charles_N

they were goin holidays in northern greece they lost their way and the coach went to skopje town by mistake..they got impaired by it's massive beautiness so they stayed there now ;-)

just some guy

that reminds me of a question i've got. if Russia invaded Turkey from the rear do you think Greece would help?

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