What is the correct name -Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia (FYROM) or?

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I'm Macedonian!!!

Former Turkish Vilayat Of Greece sounds nice!!

♪♪ vivet ♪♪

VILAYET (is correct spelling) means an administrative division of Turkey
which in this case has nothing to do with your very unfriendly comment/question
please do not provoke people with such questions.it is not funny.both sides have enough problems with the existing name.
thank you.

@it is my opinion also,that there is no reason to have "former" in its name. and nobodys name
and also not the Republic of Skopje(also wrong in my opinion)

edoardo_visconti

The correct name of the territory you refer to is traditionally and historically "VARDAR". Nothing to do with Macedonia and nothing to do with republic as well....Now get out of here.....

cpinatsi

Yes we have understood your offensive question that is why you are reported. By the way, Greece - including Macedonia - was the most important civilisation in the world long before the Turks appeared in the area. And the Greeks remained Greeks even after an occupation of hundreds of years.

Save the Earth

I think we should take those people more serious. After the desolation of Yugoslavia the need a name! Someone might help them. I don't like the "Macedonia" as name for the ....reasons. But something..+Macedonia would be fear.

harry potter

In Greece we say Former Yugoslav Repuplic Of Macedonia....If somebody say only Macedonia is wrong and Greek "enemy"...So if you come in greece you'd better not say Fyrom, Macedonia!!!

ღ♥Goxy♥ღ

Unfortunately, it's a little bit more complicated than just what you call personal wish or inclination... It's naive to think that individuals can bring such decisions or even influence the official name of a country. This one is disputable for many reasons, and we all know them. It is NOT the same as other former Yugoslav republics, cos they are not violating another sovereign country's name, as is the case here. Macedonia is in Greece. Any other entity that wishes to file to be given the same name will have to be called something in between, and that is: Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. What is the problem here? People in FYRM have to learn that they cannot expect everybody to treat them as Yugoslavia did. It was their decision to leave it. Let them deal with their problems on their own now.
Turkish whatsoever has nothing to do with that. Vilajet was a subordinate admin unit, and the status of the independent Republic was given to them in YU. I'm sure everyone sees the difference.

aristhedes

Macedonia is a state in Greece first and foremost, it is also the name of former Yugoslavian state and breakaway republic. When that republic was formed they pretty much thumbed their nose at Greece and, among other things, embedded in their constitution a provision stating their intent to annex the Greek state of Macedonia. They included the star of Alexander the Great in their flag and other things which all came from their former dictator’s (Tito) intention to spread communism into Greece at the end of WWII when Greece was embroiled in a civil war. Anyway, all this ‘nose-thumbing’ was done to the obvious consternation of Greece, and until two years ago the compromise that had been reached was that this country was recognized in UN circles as ‘FYR Macedonia’ (FYR = Former Yugoslav Republic). I’m not sure if their flag or constitution has been altered since, but two years ago the US government decided to recognize them as just ‘Macedonia’ and that has Greece all up in arms again – one of about 20 things they are mad at the US about, but who’s counting... Bottom line, Macedonians may be Greeks or Yugoslavians, and depending on who you ask either or both may be offended.

Here’s the policy statement from the AHI-PAC (Greeks call FYR Macedonia ‘Skojpe,’ which is the name of the capital city):

We call on the U.S., in its own self- interest, to strongly support a name for this former Yugoslav republic that does not include the word “Macedonia.” Since antiquity, the name Macedonia has referred to a geographical region, not to a nationality.

When Marshal Tito fashioned the puppet “Socialist Republic of Macedonia” from the southern Yugoslav province of Vardar-Banovina in December 1944, he did so to foment disorder in northern Greece in furtherance of his plan to communize the Balkan Peninsula and gain control of the key port city of Salonica. “Macedonian” nationalism was a product of Tito's fabrications. In December 1944 the U.S. vigorously opposed the use of the name Macedonia by Tito. Secretary of State Edward R. Stettinius, Jr., in a Circular Airgram (Dec. 26, 1944) stated:

“This Government considers talk of Macedonian ‘nation,’ Macedonian ‘Fatherland,’ or Macedonian ‘national consciousness’ to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece.

The approved policy of this Government is to oppose any revival of the Macedonian issue as related to Greece.”

Our policy was valid then and it should be valid now.

The Truman Doctrine and massive financial aid under the Marshall Plan foiled Tito’s hopes for communizing Greece.

The State Department’s reversal of policy on November 4, 2004 by the recognition of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) as the “Republic of Macedonia” was an act of disgraceful proportions as it relates to our staunch ally and supporter in the Balkans, Greece. This act is harmful to U.S. interests in the Balkans.

We call on President Bush to reconsider this misinformed and ill-advised policy and to tell the State Department to withdraw recognition of FYROM as Macedonia as in the best interests of the United States.

We call on President Bush to inform FYROM to continue in good faith its diplomatic dialogue with Greece on the name issue under UN auspices.

The State Department stated that this decision was made with the purpose of providing “stability” in “Macedonia,” regarding the November 7, 2004 referendum in FYROM on the law giving the ethnic Albanian minority greater local autonomy. We disagree strongly with State’s position. On the contrary, recognition does not help to facilitate stability in the region.

Consideration needed to be given to the sensitivities by this decision and how it would potentially impact all of FYROM’s neighbors, especially Greece.

Yet, State Department Spokesman, Richard Boucher, during his press briefing on November 5, 2004 stated that he wasn’t aware of any consultations by the U.S. with FYROM’s neighbors prior to recognition.

If the United States is interested in promoting peace, democracy, stability and economic progress in the Balkans, our main ally in the region in promoting these goals is and has been Greece.

In announcing the recognition of FYROM as Macedonia, the State Department is thumbing its nose at Greece and the Greek American community. By it’s actions, the Administration is in effect disregarding the approximately 1,500,000 Americans of Hellenic descent as a non-entity in the formulation of U.S. policy since we are not consulted on decisions that impact Greece.

This action sends the wrong message to Greece that could be construed as dismissive of her sensitivities and concerns in the region.

Further, regarding Mr. Boucher’s comments, he attempts to justify that since the name “Macedonia” is the name “that the government and the people of Macedonia have chosen for their country, and that’s the name we will recognize them under.”

This premise is false. There is no unqualified universally accepted rule of international law that authorizes a state to name itself anything it wants. There are two examples in the 20th century. Following WWI, Austria wanted to be known as “The German Republic of Austria.” The victorious allies objected to the designation “German” and Austria has been known since as the Austrian Republic or plain Austria.

In the second instance, Great Britain was denied the right to be admitted to the European Union with the name Great Britain. France objected that this name could imply that the French province of Brittany belonged to Great Britain. The objection was accepted by the then European Union partners and Great Britain was admitted to the EU as United Kingdom.

The Macedonia issue stems from the 1991 secessionist Skopje regime’s naming itself in the most provocative way possible as the so called “Republic of Macedonia” and requesting worldwide recognition.

It is not proper for a country, which is part of a region to define itself in an official manner as representing the whole region. Macedonia, like the Americas, Europe, Scandinavia, and the Balkans, is a region. Just as no country in North and South America would call itself the “American Republic,” and no European country would call itself the “Republic of Europe,” FYROM in naming itself cannot assume the mantle of Macedonia.

Greece and FYROM had increased their dialogue recently on strengthening bilateral relations, including the name, and this unexpected and sharp shift in U.S. policy is counter-productive. For our Government to be a party to this only serves to create instability in a volatile area of the Balkans and thus threatens our interests there.

We find incomprehensible the advice from the State Department and the National Security Council to President Bush, which, in effect, equated the FYROM, a nation of only 14 years, of little, if any, strategic, economic or political value to the United States, with Greece, a long-time important strategic, political and economic ally of the United States, who fought as allies with the U.S. in 4 wars in the 20th century, whose defeat of Mussolini’s forces in 1940 was a turning point in World War II, who gave the communists their first defeat by arms (1946-49), who is an important partner in the war on terrorism, and who is the strategic key for the United States in the Balkans and the Eastern Mediterranean.

Eve

The problem is there is no correct name of this country. Why? Because there is no mutual agreement on a name to be recognized both by the country itself, its neighbours and the international community in general.
This is sad, because FYROM is not a proper name. Its just the most acceptable for practical reasosn denomination.
On the other hand the issue is not a matter of how you call the country. It is also history and mostly related to how the country wants to be perceived by the international community.
If it wants to be connected to Alexander the Great and the Ancient Macedon - well, naturally, this will be disputed by the Greeks.
And this is what the international community should agree upon - history, not simply a name.
By the way historically we should distinguish between the geographic region of Makedonia and the comparatively newly formed state. Historically, a state of the name of Macedonia/Makedonia never ever existed after the ancient state state of Alexander came to an end.
What was after WWII divided between Yugoslavia, Greece and Bulgaria was the geographic region of Makedonia. In the same way the geographic region of Thrace was divided between Bulgaria, Greece and Turkey, the geographic region of Dobrudzha - between the states of Bulgaria and Romania.

soubassakis

Hello dear!
Great question, but difficult to answer it promptly, since:
This land and her people were never a state
These people live there after the movements made by ex-Yugoslavia. It was frequent in those political systems to move the people around, in order to control them easier.
That region, until the late 40s was called Vardarska, and then Tito and Stalin decided to rename it to Macedonia, in order to expand towards Bulgaria and Greece, have exit to the Aegean and capture as much land and cities they could, when and if there would be any changes.

Takis

All the world refers to us as Greece and Greeks we refer to ourselves as Hellas (Ελλας) and Hellenes (Ελληνες) so the real answer neither Greece nor FGOV-HELLAS

Did you hear any greek shouting Greece on EURO2004 all said Hellas Hellas

In effect the western word did not ask us which name we WOULD LIKE to use. They said ok you re greece or we're bringing back the Ottomans

check this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exonym_and_endonym

Ps1 As i said again I think it is unfair that one country takes the name of a whole region that is divided among 3 countries
Bulgaria,FYROM and Greece!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS2 dont forget that many Turks have roots in the region!!.

dofaegean

Everything could be more easier if disappeared the political interests and the small-minded. Anyway I think soon will be given name even if it will not the best solution.

slaveof12gods

one word - YUGOSLAVIA - only

Dave. H

FYROM :)

hard_n_tender26

I wouldnt care less about that poor wannabe country. But its true, they are all seeds from Turks up there thats why they love Turkey so much.

witch

sorry, why did you put this question to GREECE????

Kippax

Because Greece seems to be dead scared of Macedonian (or Fyromian if you want :P) territorial claims on their province of Macedonia. Calling it Former-Yugoslavian indeed makes no sense at all, it would be like saying the Former British United States or The Former Spanish Netherlands (or Former Turkish Vilayat Of Greece for that sake), what country would want such a name? In my opinion it's about time that Greece and that-nameless-country- somewhere-on-the-Balkans -that-is-often-called-Macedonia had a nice chat about this problem. After all Macedonia is a candidate member of the EU and such internal strife would be potentially damaging for the Union as a whole, and will by so have to be solved.

@aheosellinas: I did some googling and it seems that all mentionings of "Skopjeslavia" can be attributed to you. Sounds pretty strange for such an accepted name....

aheosellinas

I have many Bulgarian and Albainian frinds who live there and they tell me that internally they call each other Vardarians and their land Vardar, or when they want to be more official they call thier country Skopjeslavia......

.. the rest of the world calls them Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia or F.Y.R.O.M. , I know this gets confusing but they are also named after their capital Skopje....

... I have lived there and have many frinds there, all these names exist becuase they are really a pseudo-country that fused Albanians and Bulgarians when they were a communist country unser Russias control.. for political aims and now those two groups are fighting over which name to call themselves. kinda like the Kurds and the Sunnis in Iraq....

.. But as i have lived there and my frinds tell me the correct name is .....

Skopjeslavia

slave of 12 gods ™

how about just yougoslavia

ibkidd37

From the US CIA World Factbook:
conventional long form: Republic of Macedonia
conventional short form: Macedonia
local long form: Republika Makedonija
local short form: Makedonija
note: the provisional designation used by the UN, EU, and NATO is Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)
former: People's Republic of Macedonia, Socialist Republic of Macedonia

Alternately, try http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029394365&a=KCountryProfile&aid=1019233917528

natza_the_great

i dont get it!!!! also were bosnia, croatia slovenia, serbia, motenegro formal yugoslav republics, but only macedonia has that name!!!

why is like that?!?!

sarisofori

Its not right to have Former something in the country name.
Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to say for Republic of Macedonia is same like to say Former Turkish Vilayet of greece...
Would USA want to call Former Britain Kingdom of USA ...
I don't think so...

MORTİCİA

actually now it is called The Republic of Macedonia.

flavivs severvs

It is not the question of correct or incorrect names - the question is WHO IS ALLOWED to call names to nations/countries ?

That position does not exists in any of the documents in UN, EU, OSCE etc.
Each country/nation calls itself as it is the peoples will, stipulated in the Constitution of that country. And..that is all, folks.
Greece took advantage of a young country, used the membership in EU and issued a stupid question. We, the Macedonians usually say: "There are questions which does not deserve answers".

By whom Greece took permission to name itself "Greece"?
Or "Hellenic Republic", as they say ? Still I have not seen that list of paper.
Whatever, we are on our way, Greeks are on theirs. Macedonia lives !

SOLUN macedonia

The CORRECT name is MACEDONIA!!! It is spelled MAKEDONIJA in the MACEDONIAN language and it was called MACEDON in ancient times!!! MACEDONIA will be called the way it always was called it is very simply MACEDONIA!!! Even though the country was divided after the Balkan wars!!! Its territories were still called MACEDONIA!!! Which fell under Yugoslavia.Greece, Bulgaria and a little part in Albania!!!! MACEDONIA it will always be!!! Long live MACEDONIA and the MACEDONIAN Nation!!!

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