When will the turks get out of cyprus?

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the turkish cypriots can't get out because it's their country too

the army can get out if both the turkish cypriots and the greek cypriots achieve a fair agreement, not like the unfair aunan plan.

the settlers from turkey is the big problem, they are there illegally.

some turkish cypriots dont want them there (many of them are not even turks but kurdish).

other turkish cypriots want them there as a shield from becoming a turkish minority in cyprus again.

other turkish cypriots see the settlers as the best way to take over the whole of cyprus and unite the north part with turkey when it will be possible for them.

the greek cypriots don't want the settlers from turkey.

so it gets complicated. it all comes down to what the turkish cypriots want because for the greek cypriots it's more clear.

and the "NO" to the anan plan was the only solution for the greek cypriots who don't want to see cyprus becoming from a rich independent, european country to a poor asian province of turkey.

personally I think that the settlers can go away only by force.

Pala Remzi

NEVER!
you'd better get used to this idea and to TWO STATE IN ONE ISLAND type of solution

Ipek K

Pala Remzi said it.

Suddenly Skopje

Hi alanna nice to see you again I just wanted to thank you for reporting one of my questions which was nothing but extending my gratitude to turkish people

DejaVu- RETURNS

when would you like us to? I mean I can just phone them up if you like miss.cool, why didn't you tell us about this before :))

well correct answer would be NEVER really, its an independent Turkish country, you like it or not, simple.

Joannah

Not cool I'msocool.

Riddle me this: If the answer is so obvious, why ask in the first place?

The answer, Never darling. With or without the colorful educated language.

Leprechaun

I don't know which troll you are and changed name but,you seem blocked by me. So that gives the answer.

Mehmet K

Never, and let me ask you why you asked this question ?

Do you know why Turkish soldier there ?

If not, let me tell you:...

If you can do please take a look at photos at third link... Pictures belong to Human criminal not advised to those below 18.

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Cyprus is an issue involving Turkey's vital national and strategic interests. A great amount of commitment and sensitivity is attached to it both on the public and official level. Our primary consideration with respect to Cyprus, in line with our contractual obligations as a guarantor power, has been the preservation of peace and stability on the island in general and the protection of safety and well-being of the Turkish Cypriot people in particular.

It is a fact that despite a 36 year long UN involvement and numerous rounds of negotiations between the two sides, a settlement in Cyprus has so far not been achievable. As in other cases, dealing with the Cyprus issue requires realism, common sense and a consciousness of the past. While the past should undoubtedly not serve as an impediment to a settlement, its lessons must be taken into full account, if a repetition of its mistakes is to be avoided.

The roots of the Cyprus problem can be traced back to the 1950's when Greek Cypriot and Greek aspirations to achieve Enosis (the island's union with Greece) took the form of a terrorist campaign against the Turkish Cypriots as well as the British colonial rule. Despite attempts by Greece to exploit the issue in the UN, the UN General Assembly did not uphold Greek demands designed to achieve annexation under the guise of self-determination, but urged negotiations among the parties concerned. So when Britain gave Cyprus independence in 1960, a series of sui generis agreements had to be reached designed to compromise the conflicting interests of the Turkish and Greek Cypriots, as well as Greece and Turkey.

The "state of affairs" created in Cyprus by the international Treaties of 1960 was one of political and sovereign equality, and the equal constituent status of the two peoples. By virtue of these international Treaties, limited sovereignty had been transferred by the two peoples, conjointly and in partnership, in order to establish the 1960 bi-communal Republic of Cyprus. Under the 1960 Treaties of Guarantee and of Alliance, Turkey, the United Kingdom and Greece became guarantors of the new state of affairs which aimed at preventing either one of the two constituent peoples from imposing its political will over the other as well as establishing a fair balance between the two motherlands, Turkey and Greece, vis-a-vis Cyprus.

The 1960 Agreements which gave birth to the "Cyprus Republic" was therefore firmly based on the equality of the Turkish and Greek Cypriots in the independence and the sovereignty of the island. A bi-communal state machinery was created with the effective participation of both sides in all organs of the joint state. Annexation and partition were expressly proscribed. The Greek Cypriots and Greece, however, regarded the establishment of the partnership Republic as a temporary set-back in their ultimate aim of uniting the island with Greece, i.e. Enosis, and attempted to destroy both the internal and the external balances created by the 1960 state of affairs from the very first day they were established. The Greek Cypriots resorted to violence in December 1963 and expelling their Turkish Cypriot partners from all the government organs by force of arms, usurping the state machinery. The Turkish Cypriot people refused to bow to this illegality. Thus, years of unprecedented cruelty, bloodshed and suffering started for the Turkish Cypriot people.

During the 1963-1974 period, hundreds of Turkish Cypriots were murdered by armed Greek Cypriot paramilitaries and a quarter of the Turkish Cypriot population (some 30.000 people) rendered homeless. Hundreds more were abducted or subjected to enforced disappearance, never to be seen or heard of again. Those lucky enough to survive Greek Cypriot atrocities, withdrew into small enclaves, the total area of which corresponded to a mere 3% of the territory of Cyprus, and led a life of refugees, surviving only thanks to Turkish Red Crescent aid. The entire world merely watched all this as a passive spectator for a decade. The UN peacekeeping force sent to the island in 1964 was ineffective and helpless. Greece acted in violation of its Treaty obligations as a guarantor power. Britain also remained indifferent to its obligations under the same status. Turkish Cypriots were relieved from this ordeal and saved from total extermination by the legitimate and timely intervention of Turkey undertaken in accordance with her Treaty rights and obligations in 1974, after the Greeks had made a bloody attempt at the final takeover of Cyprus by Greece through a coup d'etat organized by the junta in Athens and its collaborators in Cyprus.

There can be no greater injustice then trying to portray the Turkish intervention as "occupation". This was both a right and an obligation for Turkey, exercised in restraint after many years of indifference and inaction by the world community. Otherwise, either the ethnic cleansing of the Turkish Cypriots would have been completed or they would have been forced to leave the island for good. Nothing would have remained of the independence of the island.

As from the disruption of the constitutional order in 1963, the two peoples have had their own separate democratically elected administrations. The Greek Cypriot regime, which usurped the title of the "Republic of Cyprus" in 1963, passed itself off as the "government of the Republic of Cyprus" even though in law and in fact it was no longer the bi-communal partnership Republic established in 1960 and its illegal writ had never run over the Turkish Cypriot people . The legitimacy of the 1960 partnership Republic lay in the joint presence and effective participation of both sides in all the organs of the state under and by virtue of the rule of law then established. Neither party had the right to rule the other, nor could any one of them have the right to be the government of the other or represent the Republic in the absence of the full participation of the other in all the organs of the state. The international community, however, continued to treat the de facto Greek Cypriot administration as if it were the continuation of the Republic of Cyprus. This unjust practice lacking legal basis continues to date and is in complete disregard of the international treaties governing Cyprus. It constitutes the main impediment standing in the way of a negotiated solution.

It was only after the Turkish intervention that, for the first time after 1963, Greek Cypriot violence could be brought to an end and a serious search undertaken for a negotiated settlement. An agreement for voluntary exchange of populations was reached between the two sides and implemented by the UN. Regrouping of the Turkish Cypriots in the north and the Greek Cypriots in the south of the island and the new set of circumstances of the 1974 contributed to the flourishing of democracy in both parts of the island. The two peoples of Cyprus established their own administration, in their respective territories, strengthened their democratic structures and prospered economically. The institutional organization of the Turkish Cypriot people developed through various stages and culminated in the setting up of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) in 1983.

All this experience has shown that the only sure guarantee for the Turkish Cypriots is to live in their own independent state with the effective protection of Turkey. On the basis of this reality, the Turkish Cypriots strived to work-out a final compromise. They proposed the establishment of a federation between the two entities.

The Greek Cypriot side resisted such a settlement, never negotiated sincerely for a federation and frustrated all attempts for an agreed solution. They continued to pursue their goal of extending. Greek Cypriot sovereignty over the entire island and to engineer a return to the pre-1974 conditions. They continued to posture as the government of the Republic of Cyprus, which had been forcefully turned into a purely Greek entity since 1963. They continued to exploit this usurped title against the Turkish Cypriots in international fora. They pursued the outrageous embargo designed to isolate and cripple the Turkish Cypriots. They did not accept the political equality of the Turkish Cypriots, the required bases for a federal solution.

The Greek Cypriot leadership demonstrated a continuous intransigence rejecting numerous UN proposals envisaging a federal settlement. Brushing the repeated warnings of the Turkish Cypriots aside, the Greek Cypriot side with a consistently intransigent attitude, rejected the 1985-86 Draft Framework Agreement, the UN-sponsored Set of Ideas of 1992 as well as the package of Confidence Building Measures of 1994 and many others. This intransigence should demonstrate to all concerned that the Greek Cypriot side is not interested in a negotiated settlement but is out to destroy the very parameters which had been established through the process of negotiations.

With its unilateral and unlawful application for EU membership in 1990, the Greek Cypriot side added a new and crucial dimension to its efforts to frustrate the negotiating process and do away with the parameters which had been developed through hard work over the years. The Greek Cypriot side never concealed that it was using EU membership as a ploy for doing away with the vested rights of the Turkish Cypriot people and for destroying the balance between Turkey and Greece over Cyprus in favour of Greece. The unilateral and unlawful application of the Greek Cypriot regime for

lizzardbabe

As soon as Mexicans leave the US...

ottoman

You think Greeks Learnt their lesson now??? You think Turkish Cypriots are safe now??? okay to both of my questions, the answer is probably yes,,
so why did Greek/Cypriots refused UN Secretary, Annan,s peace plan , Your leaders first agree to the plan, and we know why they did, so to enter EU by deceit , once in your leaders urged the Greek Cypriots to go against in the referendum,
What dose this tell us, G/Cs have no intention of getting to gather with the Turkish Cypriots, you may argue but it's a fact,
how can we allow the troops to leave the island when your side is not ready for peace yet,
By the way ,had you said yes to Secretary Annan's plan in your referendum , troops would have gone , 60.000 G/Cs would have gone back to north to TRNC , you would have
had 5 - 6% more land , and many more,
what are we to do ,
and please dont tell me to trust you every thing would be fine,
because i don't,
Your leaders must stop putting obsticals to prevent peace prosses,

acillius 19..

wait, we ll sent all Greek Cypriots from cyprus to their own country,wait atina they are coming.

Rob Anybody

I looked all over the Greece section and didn't see your answers. Where are you from, sweetie? And if you are really Greek, wouldn't you get more support if you asked your question in the Greek section? I don't remember seeing your supporters either.

genÃ§ tÃ¼rk

As soon as your dinosaur president signs the UN resolution.

Ben A

im sorry to tell u but never, and u ll never get ur precious constantinapole either

LFG

I know that many will not like my opinion regarding this issue, but here it goes anyway: I think that the situation between Greeks and Turks is inevitable, given their differences (i.e., religion, culture, etc). Look at what is going on in Ireland, where you have essentially the same people of the same religion (but of different denomination) in conflict for years now. (Note: no ill intentions regarding my comments about that issue, here). Considering that situation, what did you expect of the Greece vs. Turkey situation, given the said differences? In my opinion, if Greece did not exist, then there would probably be a Turkey vs. Italy or Yugoslavia / Serbia situation, and if Turkey did not exist, there would probably be a Greece vs. Syria or Iran situation. When you have two different religions / cultures converging into the same region, conflict is usually inevitable. (For example, consider the conflict between Pakistanis and Indians, too, who are essentially of the same race, but who do not share the same religion - no ill intentions regarding this comment, either).
Anyway, regarding your question, I think that it would be best if it was left to the politicians of the respective parties and EU to handle. Eventually, I believe, a viable solution that will benefit all involved parties will be found.
(By the way, I suspect that you are of Greek origin, and if I may, I would like to suggest that you do not continue to post such questions in the TRAVEL section about Turkey. It is obvious that you are trying to provoke the responses that you see posted in this section, and I do not think that this is fair, since the TRAVEL sections are intended for helping out people with TRAVEL-related information - I do not think that we need people seeking TRAVEL-related information regarding Greece and Turkey reading such posts in either the Greek or Turkish TRAVEL sections - there are plenty of politics-related websites for such posts out there...).

Reality Bites

I don't understand what is hypocritical here. Hypocrisy as I know it is an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction.

Most of them say NEVER. I say never too. That is an expression of agreement that is supported by real conviction.

Who are the hypocrites now?

I'm Macedonian!!!

why should they? they are fine where they are, i guess

luckyman

we are taking the peace operation slowly yes we re not in a hurry.by the way write these things to your goverment.this is travel section you un educated filth

al fresco

oh no imSoCool don't cry!

David M.

And when the White people will get out of South Africa ?

When the natives of Cyprus stop being wimps and kick them out themselves.

sandman

soon, dear...if the turks want to be in the EU...

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