Which group would you join ?

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Alana Awareness

There should be only one group in
Turkey. All of Turkey should be
fighting for one cause "democracy"
With a real democracy there will be
equal rights and freedom of speech.
Until then they are doomed.

To: the person who seems to have the all
answers and all the solutions to their
governments problems, and you know
who you are. Why don't you run for
public office? Aha thats right you
can't there is no equal rights for
women in turkey.

These so called "hatred makers"
in Turkey you speak of are
protected by their CONSTITUTIONAL
right to freedom of speech in the USA.

ADD)ASALA operated mainly
out of bases in Beirut. ASALA's
primary objective was to increase
awareness of the Armenian genocide
and further the cause of Armenian
independence. In 1915, Turkey
(then the center of the Ottoman Empire)
attempted to eliminate systematically
the sizable Armenian minority living within
its borders; estimates of the final death
toll range anywhere between a few hundred
thousand to upwards of two million people.
The anger of the Armenian people, both in
Armenia and abroad, only grew with time.
Turkey added fuel to the fire by refusing to
acknowledge the scope of the killings or
apologize publicly for them. Some
Armenians hoped that, as the Holocaust
had generated international support for the
founding of Israel, increasing awareness of
the Armenian genocide might help them gain
an independent homeland.

Turkish Embassy in Brussels
was bombed and a man
called authorities claiming
that the ASALA was responsible.
However, experts doubt the veracity
of this claim, and no further ASALA
activity is expected.

.Most members of ASALA now
are found in the government or
the military (or perhaps fighting
the Azerbaijanis in the contested
province of Nagorno-Kabakh),
rather than conducting a campaign
of international violence.

Now lets talk terrorists:
(ETLO)-links to al-Qaeda,
Osama bin-Laden, and the
Taliban, are mostly Muslims
of Turkish descent. I hope the
turks know the EXTREME differences
between extreme ismalic turkish terrorists
and a group of Armenians trying
to change things for the
better.

Keep throwing them
stones at me cause each
time I find bigger ones to throw back.

later and I am out!
.

NAMIK KEMAL

One common mistake the pre-judiced foreigner make about Turkey is to assume that the Turkish people all act in harmony -or they agree with each other in all social and politcial matters.

Neither is it posible to categorize a nation -which you certainly do NOT belong to- according to your presumptions.

So your logic ("which group would you join?") is inherently wrong and doesn't take you anywhere.

So long as prejudiced racist stupid people (like Alana, Anais or Jean-Charles) ignorantly shout and blame ENTIRE nation for something which is HIGHLY DISPUTABLE to exist at all,
it is normal that this stupid and blutant act finds some sort of repercussions in Turkish society.

Here the Turkish members of the Y/A community are in fact peaceful and highly educated segment of the society and yet armenian and greek racists blame ALL the Turkish without any exception. They're barking like hungry dogs.

EVEN calm and peaceful Turkish as we are can be upset and angry at such prejudiced racism.

And come to think the average Turkish young people (all having fire in their blood and feeling threatened by a bunch of armenians tylling at them they're guilty for nothing) will applause those who take up a gun and shot someone whom -they assume- belong to the hatred-makers.

Each time you ask a provocative question or an insulting remark, you simply JUSTIFY their cause and fortify their perseverence. You'd better understand it

Bob C

You shouldn't support killing under any circumstance. You can support somebody's downfall, if you didn't like them, but killing them isn't a solution, as it only promotes more hatred.

ahanda korama

I see alana is getting nervous and losing control
well, that's a good step
because nervous breakdown is the first step to catharsis

hope other racists too will learn their lesson and continue their lives as decent human beings..

Well to some users who answered this question: Before making a judgement about Hrant Dink at least read a few articles written by him! But please read a whole one not a part of it which is carefully separated from the article by some sick minded broadcasters!
Hrant Dink is not from Armenia or Iran or Us or whatever. He is a Turkish citizen! He is much more nationalist than lots of people who says they are Turkish.
If I really have to pick a group. I will join the "Before judging learn something!" group.
Unfortunately everything you read in newspapers are not always true! He died with holes in the bottom of his shoes. He died for this country! You accept it or not. Hrant Dink is Turkish!

ÕŽÔ±Õ€Ô·

I'm Armenian, I just want to say that:
Shouting "I'm Armenian" doesn't mean you aren't Turk or you treason your nationality!
It's just to condemn the murder and siding with the victims. It shows that not all Turks are racist.
But unfortunately the government doesn't take part in these things, still supporting the idea "happy who calls him a Turk".
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EDIT:
I received 10 thumbs-down (and counting!). I hope you (Turkish people) aren't angry that I said "Not all Turks are racist"!!! Sorry if I was mistaken!

Mehmet K

Neither support to killing nor approving to participate group shouting â€œwe are all Hrant Dinkâ€...

Protesting all kind of terrorist activity (includes killing Hrant Dink)... Its not acceptable to kill any human due to his/her ideas...

But I am only Turk, nothing else, it will stay as it is....

Joannah

I would join a group where I believed in of course. It's not a question of right or wrong, it is about one's perception of what is right or wrong.

It would be unfair for you to put people on the spot and ask for their allegiances because of one fact? That this Dink person was a patriot and was fighting for the supposed Armenian genocide. Why say fascist to someone who was against Dink? He might have his reasons which can be that he felt powerless against Dink who had the power of media on his side and was spreading misinformation.

If you ask me, there are no sides to choose from. But my respect goes out to the Tolerance of the Turks that supported Dink, not because of his cause, because for them, there was no genocide; but in showing the world that no matter how divergent one's opinion is in Turkey, murder is never a solution, no matter how worthy or unworthy the reasons are.

Didn't the Armenians celebrate and gloat when they occupied adjoining Azeri territories after its illegal occupation of Nagorno Karabagh? I doubt it there weren't peaceful Armenians who also felt something about those atrocities although we didn't see any protests. They were just scared sh it to show it to bigots who expect them to sympathize just because they are Armenian.

It's one of the libeties democracy brings because people can choose who to support and celebrate. In a democracy where people are stupefied into submission to which their voices of dissent are silenced, that my friend is then Fascism.

Ipek K

Fascism is a result of inferiority complex . People try to associate one's self with a higher value in order to maintain a healthy psychology - Not my words- it is basic psychology
rules.

Those type of people are everywhere regardless of nation.

Mr. Dink has been assassinated because of radical fascism. People who didn't knew him and his opinions and ideas about Turkey and Armenia's judged him over one sentence- which was a part of a long speech but carefully selected out to make him the target of ignorants.

He was a good journalist, a good father and more importantly a good man. It is sad that he died this horrible death by the hands of ignorants and unfortunately ignorance is almost being gifted by people all over the world and all nations- we have the chance to witness it here everyday from a specific nations members.

The people who are shouting "we are all Mehmet" are missing one point: "Hrant" is a name of a Turkish citizen also.

Therefore, if I have to make I choice, I definitely wouldn't want my name to be mentioned together with the murder supporters- in this case neither Turkish fascists nor ASALA supporters.

genÃ§ tÃ¼rk

Although I never approved his killing, I should remind the Dink supporters of one fact.

The guy said something like this: "The turkish armenian must drain his veins free from the poisonous turkish blood and replace it with the fresh blood of his compatriots in armenia". (It is rather easy to understand what he means by that. Surprisingly, the text is available in very few places on the internet, I don't know why.)

This is definitely not serving the mutual understanding between peoples. This is planting seeds of hate. Separatism. And sadly, you ultimately reap what you sow.

May god forgive his sins. Maybe if he saw the love and the sympathy that these people (Of course, with "poisonous blood" running through their veins) showed for him after his death, he would have written different, more peaceful things.

EDIT: BTW Mehmet is not the name of the killer, it is a classical turkish name, also the nickname for turkish army soldiers.

EDIT2: Thumb downers, my ideas here rely solely upon facts, like it or not.

Realist

I agree 100% with Mr. beemer...the only side is the right side which is justice. Just because you morn his death doesn't mean you respected or supported him when he was alive.
The ASALA lasted 5 years unlike the 14 turkish terrorist groups today listed as active by the FBI.

PS: I have not seen a Turk yet out smart Alana, she is in a class well above all your means.

habisce

No Turks try to justify any murderer as some Armenians try to justify terrorists such as ASALA. The murderer's name is not Mehmet, and nobody said " We are all Mehmet " about the murder. The name, Mehmet, has a special meaning in Turkey, so do not try to slander it by making up stories.

Edit : To realist ( not ) , the only thing alana could do is to copy and paste. That is not even close to my class.

Dr. Beemer

Ogun Samast assassinated Hrant Dink for being outspoken about the Armenian Genocide, even though Hrant did not agree with diaspora in every aspect.

The killers of Hrant Dink have deep roots in the CHP nationalist party. They have nationalist prosecutors, article 301, nationalist judges, and nationalist terrorist group Grey Wolves. This particular group has done many political assassinations, Christian killings, and countless death threats.

The other half of the population is the ones that were actually crying in Dinks funeral. 100,000 Armenians, Turks, and Kurds were walking hand to hand during his funeral. Hrant Dink was a respected man.

Dink's friend Orhan Pamuk is gone from Turkey, he is in New York. Yasin Hayal who didnt even graduate high school told Orhan Pamuk who won Noble Prize in literature to be "smart" when Yasin was being escorted from the police station.

In the police headquarters where O. S. was being booked police officers took pictures with him celebrating his killing, like he just shot a "trophy buck". Calling him aslan (lion).

In youtube.com Ismail Turut a well known nationalist singer is singing "dont make any plans". it says any one who "backstabs" his nation is finnished off, and shows Hrant Dinks body, then Ogun Samast celebrating in the police headquarters.

The answer to your question is that I would join the group that wants justice, I would want free speech everywhere, peace and prosperity everywhere.

Abby lane

If I lived in Turkey I would not join any of those groups, I would go to school and get an education and become a civil rights attorney. That's the only way I can really help all the Hrant Dinks in Turkey.

Civil rights in Turkey is non existent and Hrant Dink was a result of that. If this does not push Turkey into rewriting their Constitution to accommodate this issue then I am afraid Alana is right, Turkey is doomed.

hanibal

None of them .

anlarm

When JFKennedy visited West Berlin back in 1962 (I think), he said, "Ich bin eine Berliner".
Did that make him German or a Berliner?
You are missing the point in "We are all Hrant Dink." I would think about joining that group, but I would never shout with extreme nationalists who support a murderer.

ithinkiatetoomuch

Neither, I don't know the topic but I don't join angry mobs.

Totally Blunt

I can shout "we are all Armenians" if those same Armenians are under attack of fascists, because those same Armenians are also Turks and being there for Armenians doesn't make me less Turkish, on the contrary, it makes me more Turkish, because Turkey has always been on the side of the downtrodden.

That said, I also would shout "you aren't Armenians" to the diaspora who is trying to take advantage of the murder of our brother, disregarding the fact that our brother critisized diaspora quite harshly for their uncompromising attitude and severe propaganda. Whatever his political opinions, Hrant Dink was one of ours, not theirs, and he is not the first Turk to be killed because of his opinions.

Now, let's talk about the situtation of Turks living in Armenia who support the Turkish thesis regarding the events in and around 1915. We can't? What about in France? We can't? Denmark? No? Hey, where's the freedom of speech gone?

Oh yes, now I remember. It is here, in these lands. :DDD

Edit: Young Turk misunderstands Dink's words. He said that Armenians should clean the poison that is their hatred towards Turks from their veins and look to the future. These unfortunately not very well expressed words have become the keyword for all those Turks who chose not to become one of the masses that cried "We are all Armenians".

Come on trolls. Would you like to tell us who, among non-Turkish Armenians, chanted "We are all Turks" when our diplomats were killed by your ASALA by the dozen? Hmmm? Your guys were actual terrorists then, you have become intellectual terrorists now, you are killing free speech. How do you like THAT?

HOTTÃ¼rk

I m against every kind of murder as an human but i can not shout like "All we are Armenians" as a TÃ¼rk.

Bryz

I dont know, but i prefer not joining any of these it will just cause troubles or a simple arguement from your opinioned friends might get big wich by the way leads to another trouble and might end up in pain. haha. =)

Irmak

''We are all Hrant Dink'', of corz.

istanbul bogazi

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=j6HeGfy-H5Y
" a group"??? All Turkey was in his funeral supporting Hrant Dink.

woow since i have 16 thumbs down that shows some people with hatered wasn't happy to see the truth.
And Alana's comments about ASALA....

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