Why do we refuse the Macedonians to call their countyry MACEDONIA ? Why are we so untolerant ?

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I'm Macedonian!!!

i know your identity is stolen, so i won't comment your question. if you happen to ask that question with your real identity i'll be more than happy to answer, cuz this is really sensitive stuff for me...

peace

p.s. btw I'll be more that happy if you really are Greek and share this opinion

zigzag

Pathetic troll you revealed your identity..Now get a life

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When you decide to present yourself with your real profile and stop using one of our respectful friend, you will have your answer, which is very simple.
For the time being you can use chat rooms on the subject.

Wicked Apathy

I agree with Roberta. Furthermore, Greece has no territorial claims on FYROM. On the contrary, with the use of the name ‘Macedonia’, the FYROMian falsification of the Greek (and Balkan) history will be continued. In that way, in the FYROMian schools children will propagandistically be taught -as they already do- of a fictionary enslaved "Macedonian" nationality in Greece and elsewhere! That means the creation of extremists and continuous trouble in the Balkans, a situation that actually serves the benefits of other people out of the Balkans, definitely not FYROMians or Greeks…

Say the truth!

Besides FYROM is a name, in fact it's the UN provisional reference to the state. Of curse I agree with Roberta, since I know history too.

ragzeus

The questioner has confused authentic Macedonia of Greece with a new Balkan republic of (Slavic/Albanian)Macedonia.
Macedonia or Macedon as we all know is a Greek region (in proper Greek “Mακεδονία”) it is actually one of the biggest regions of Greece and it has played a most significant part in Greek history!
Authentic Macedonia of Greece was the birth place of Alexander the Great!
Alexander created a gigantic Greek empire and he is responsible for the spreading of Greek culture and language around the world!
Do not confuse authentic Macedonia of Greece with a small state that emerged from Yugoslavia. The (Slavic/Albanian)Macedonia.
That state decided to use as an international name the Greek name Macedonia and of course that caused and still is causing confusion with authentic Macedonia of Greece!
What you probably don’t know is that international name (and only the international name of a country) is decided by international law, international agreements and treaties under the authority of United Nations! Not even one country in the world has ever chosen what ever name it liked for international use!
(An example is what happened to Austria! After the fall of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and from 1918 it was known as the Republic of German-Austria (Republik Deutsch-Österreich), but the state was forced to change its name to "Republic of Austria" in 1919 peace Treaty of Saint-Germain!)
Especially after the Second World War every state that wishes to enter the United Nation had to make sure that its international name isn’t violating the interest of any other country and is not against international law!
This is the case for {(Slavic/Albanian)Macedonia), and don’t confuse it with real Macedonia in Greece)}. It can use its own name (Makedonija) but for international use it has to follow (like every other country) the UN resolutions!
That’s why United Nations and European Union has forced the state of Makedonijia to negotiate with Greece in order to reach to an acceptable name for international use { For those who don’t know Republika Makedonja (Slav-Macedonia) is officially translated by UN (and officially recognized by UN and European Union) as Former Ygoslavic Republic of Macedonia (FYROM).}
I have to say that the state of Slav-Macedonia is committed to the United Nations resolution and it is negotiating with Greece to reach to an argument for a name for international use (and not for their constitutional name which remains as it is : “Makedonija”).
The most funny think is that some of the Slav-Macedonians (important to note, that only some of the Slavs-Macedonians and not the Albanian –Macedonians) because they use for international law the Greek name Macedonia they actually believe that are linked to real Macedonia in Greece and Alexander the Great!!!
But I have to state clearly that the official policy of the state of Makedonija {Slavic republic of Macedonia (Slavic-Macedonia)} is that they are a typical Slavic state and they are not related to real Macedonia in Greece at all!
Here is what their first president of Slav-Macedonia Kiro Gligorof ( a well respected politician by every side) has said: “We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35). President Gligorof has also clearly stated: "We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia… Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century" (Toronto Star, March 15, 1992).
But also a lot of other members of the Government of Slav Macedonia have clearly stated their country commitment to UN negotiation and against their fanatic few! Here are some more :
On 22 January 1999, Ambassador of the FYROM to USA, Ljubica Achevska gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. In answering questions at the end of her speech Mrs. Acevshka said: "We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great … Greece is Macedonia’s second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz." In reply to another question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, Ambassador Achevska stated that "we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language”.
And again on 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, Slavic-Macedonian’s Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented, “There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country".
And again, the Foreign Minister of Slavic-Macedonia, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they "belong to the same Slav people.”
I hope this answer had helped you to understand that it is a United Nations resolution that forces Greece and (Slavic/Albanian)Macedonia to negotiate for an agreed international name! The name of the state remains as it is “Makedonija” and no one has ever asked for its change!

Roberta

Well, I'm not Greek -neither is you I suppose- but I happen to know history which I think it's not the same in your case... To make a long story short:

FYROM, a very new -since 1991- state in the Balkans with citizens mainly of Slavic and Albanian origin decides to use and monopolize the Greek terms Macedonia and Macedonians which was given to them by Tito in 1944, despite the fact that those terms are used for 2800 years to describe the actual Macedonia, a Greek land and the actual Macedonians, a Greek people!!!

The citizens of FYROM would have every right to identify themselves as ‘Macedonians’, only in case they were of Greek origin, which they are not, or in case the term had just a geographical meaning (even if that geographical meaning is very recent, since late Ottoman era…) like as if a man of Italian origin who was born and lives in the USA is an American or a man of English origin who was born and lives in Australia is an Australian. But because the terms Macedonia and Macedonians are used since ancient times to describe Greek land and Greek people, the citizens of FYROM cannot and should not identify themselves as Macedonians because they simply are not Macedonians, like as if an Italian who lives in the USA might be an American , but by no means is a Native American or an English who lives in Australia might be an Australian but by no means is an Aboriginal!!!

FYROM only occupies less that 10% of the actual ancient Macedonia. The middle and northern parts of FYROM (with the capital, Scopje) did NEVER belong to the ancient Kingdom of Macedon. It belonged to ancient Paionia and the ancient Paionians were enemies of the ancient Macedonians. Furthermore, FYROMians are of Slavic and Albanian origin. Then why on earth do they want to call their country “Macedonia” when more than 90% of the historic ancient Macedonia is outside their border??? Why on earth do those Slavic and Albanian people want to identify themselves and their land with a Greek name, -especially when both of these terms, Macedonia and Macedonian are used since antiquity to describe Greek people and Greek land and only recently the person that lives in Geographic Macedonia, yet not ethnically but geographically- while at the same time ATTEMPTING TO MONOPOLIZE that name, despite the fact that it is already in proper use by Greece and Greeks since ever???

Greeks are right on the issue, as anyone who respects truth will agree.

johnny cee

Zigzag you have three very good answers above me. I hope this has helped you to understand the issues. The Greeks have suffered enough oppression over the years from Albanians,
Bulgarians, Ottomans, Turkish, and now this. It's the straw that broke the Camel's back.
I Cr 13;8a

evzenit

A non Greek gave you the correct answer. It's a history matter. We, Greeks, are not really familiar with these issues and the new generations are "worst" in this matter. They just cannot learn history by these books and this educational system!

PAOK

You don't have schools in your country ??

MACEDONIA IS GREECE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oHivXjiX_w

emiliosailez

Intolerant the Greeks are-and ought to be- of utter ignorance of history. The masses in FYROM are as ignorant of history as the masses are in most countries. It is an attempt to usurp some legitimacy and some validity through a name that gives them the esteem of being descendents of Alexander the Great. History notwithstanding. Those folks are Slavic and almost 1000 years away from any relationship to the ancient Macedonians.

plostad

I'm really impresed if you are Greek!
Only several Greeks were brave enough (even they know the reaction that they'll cause in their own country) to admit that Macedonia is the name of my small but proud country. One of them was Teodora Grosomanidu the Greek ambassador in Skopje. She was replaced from her diplomatic position after she said that Greece should do the right thing, as the rest of the world and to admit Macedonia with their Constitutional name.
Thre Greeks didn't have a problem with the name of Macedonia before 1991. And then suddanly bum! Before that thay don't have calling Macedonia as Socialistic Republic Macedonia, in all greek maps their north neighbor they called Macedonia.

And yes, FYROM is not a name!

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