Sorry to Germany............?

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. otto.saxo .

As I understand it, the inhabitants and refugees who died in the firestorms of Hamburg and Dresden are the last victims of the war who still "just got what they deserved" in many people's opinion. That's the big difference. Even a formal apology would not really help, because it would not be backed by the majority of our friends in the west. They still have to think their judgment over for a while.
The new cross on the top of the rebuilt Frauenkirche in Dresden was a donation of a small group of British citizens, and, yes, it contains a nail of the destroyed Coventry cathedral. It was made and offered without many words, but it was a warm touch. There is not even much to talk about. Silence towards the victims of the firestorms instead of justification on their costs would be enough.

@ Ray W.
Well, the people of Dresden were acting stupid while they were bombed. They should have known that the winter was dry, and that their houses would burn quickly. They would not hesitate to apologize for that, if they could. And they were stupid enough to run into the big park and into the zoo after the first attack, although they should have known that these areas would be the target of the second attack, when the firestorm was made. Maybe they were acting that way to incriminate the RAF.
Ray, the last sentence of my short answer above was made just for you.

Diane M&M

well I wouldn't say they should apologize. I would say that they should admit that it was a war crime period. Since everyone at that time committed barbaric war crimes we should stop blaming each other for committing it. More important we the US people should apologize for Guantanamo & Abu Ghraib because these are indeed unjustified war crimes

Bernd L

The firebombing was used to break the will of the German civilians.
It was continued although the allies recognized that it caused the opposit. It was intented to kill civilians. The bombing of Dresden was
done when the war was nearly over and the allies knew very well
that Dresden was full of civilians and that there was no military
target. Neither US nor GB will excuse, because itÂ´s a standard
that Germany is guilty for everything. More reason to apologize
have the Czechs. About half a million German civilians were killed
by Czech civilians and miltar.

@ mir miron
You should try to find correct informations before you start typing.
During WW II died in Europe 39 millions, 5 millions of this number
were Germans. Victims of all sides in North Africa are included.

Dickless Rick Reloaded

yes they should

Vermont silver medalist

Yes and Churchill and Roosevelt should be considered as war criminals!

Bozo C

The bombing of Dresden should be a war crime.

No best Answer voter

Yes they should !!

Alwin E

No. The Germans never apologized for raiding London, for instance. That was wartime. This is now.

I'm a German of the post-war generation and I watched many a documentary about the Battle of Britain, and I really admire the bravery of the British Airforce pilots and the skills the British had in radar technology, in those early days. To me, who has never lived through a war (although my grandfather was severely injured in the war and died soon after), I cannot help but be sort of fascinated; but don't get me wrong, I'm a pacifist by heart and concivtion and I sincerely think what politicians are now doing is wrong. The German army, after the war, was founded to defend our country. No more, no less. I think it's wrong they are in Afghanistan and other places in the world media don't report about so often. Let those people do their own business, and the world would be a more peaceful place.

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to Diane's answer:
> we the US people should apologize for Guantanamo & Abu Ghraib because these are indeed unjustified war crimes

No. You, the US people, can't. Neither can we Germans for the concentration camps. Apologizing is too little, too less.

Maybe some day there will be a memorial in the US for the innocent detainees and tortured people at Guantanamo and elsewhere. Most probably I won't live for that, but I'm quite sure that some day there will be one.

Ray W

I am sure the thumbs down brigade will have a field day with me on this one but here goes.

The short and blunt answer is NO.
The bombing of Germany was conducted to tie up resources, reduce industrial output and dislocate the population of Germany. This was to help win the war in the shortest possible time thereby reducing ovrall casalties.
I see we have the usual answers on here about Dresden beiing an innocent town that was bombed as the war was ending. Please read my standard Dresden letter below for the facts. To those of you who have seen it before I apologize. To those of you who have not please read to the end. If anyone wants to argue any point in my letter I am contactable through yahoo answers and am more than happy to give you my email address for further correspondence. I have listed brief details of my sources in the letter but am able to give detailed references to documents in the ubklic Records office at Kew if you wish.

The biggest problem with dealing with the matter of the bombing of Germany is that it is judged against modern morals and standards of behaviour.

Civilians have suffered during war from the beginning of time. When the barbarians sacked Rome they slaughtered men women and children. When the French stormed Spanish towns during the peninsular war the citizens inside were killed and the towns raped and pillaged. The powers during the 19th century and the early 20th laid down ever more stringent rules about conduct during war trying to prevent these excesses but until the Geneva Convention came along there were no hard and fast â€œrules of warâ€.
In 1945 the Geneva Convention did not prohibit the general bombing of a town to destroy its industrial capacity.

We have to look at Dresden in the light of the morality of the time.

Some people in Dresden and elsewhere claim that the Bombing of Dresden by the RAF AND the USAAF is a war crime. In my opinion it was not
I am not in any way denying the fact that what happened in Dresden was horrific and appalling. I do deny that the men who undertook the mission have any crime to answer for.

The bombing of Dresden has been used since 1945 as a tool to beat the RAF about its conduct of "terror bombing" during WW2.

The bombing of an industrialized town from the air in an attempt to destroy its industry or cause such loss of morale amongst its inhabitants that they ceased to work was NOT a crime by the Rules of War in 1945. The bombing of Coventry, London and other British Cities in 1940 and 1941 was also NOT a War Crime.

Within Europe we did not have the â€œindustrial areasâ€ afforded to towns in the New World. The factories were in and around the areas where the workforce lived. One side of the street would be the factory wall; the other side of the street would be the workers houses. Unfortunately this lead to what, nowadays, is called â€œcollateral damageâ€

Dresden burned so heavily for several reasons.
It was a medieval city with many wooden buildings.
There had been a dry winter in the region which meant many buildings were tinderboxes.
The population were not used to air raids and did not therefore have the knowledge that you need to put incendiaries out quickly
The raid had little opposition because its Anti aircraft defence had been taken away by the Germans for use on the Eastern front. Therefore the bombers were able to put their loads in a concentrated space with little or no opposition.

Dresden was not "chosen for destruction". This was a raid on an industrial centre which went exactly right with horrifying consequences due to many circumstances some of which I have listed above.

Why did so many people die?
The 35000 people that died (absolute top number using all available, reliable sources) did so because of the reasons above and the fact that Dresdenâ€™s Air Raid Precautions were appallingly bad. There were few, if any, properly constructed public shelters despite money having been allocated for them which was spent by the local burghers on Air Raid shelters for their homes in the suburbs.
People therefore sheltered in basements of houses which, due to the firestorm above filled with noxious fumes and killed the occupants before the houses collapsed onto them and burned their corpses.

Many people have claimed in the last 60 odd years that Dresden was a quiet peaceable town going about its business and waiting for the war to end. Read the paragraphs below which are taken from research by myself and many others for the truth about "quiet, peaceable, nothing to do with the war" Dresden.

In early 1945 the war was far from over. The Allies were still camped outside the borders of Germany, V2 rockets were still falling. The Allies had just fought the battle of the Bulge where the supposedly defeated Germans suddenly punched a huge hole in the Allied lines, German Rocket and Jet aircraft were coming off the production lines and proceeding to rip the hell out of the allied air fleets.

It was an operation undertaken due to many reasons.

1. A request from the Russians at the Yalta conference in February
1945. General Antonov "We want the Dresden railway junction bombed"
Meeting between the Chiefs of staff as reported by an interpreter. Records kept at the Public Records office in Kew

2. It was a German base of operations against Marshall Koniev`s left flank as he advanced into Germany. (See above)
Captured German High Command documents from Berlin in 1945 state that "Dresden is to be fortified as a military strongpoint, to be held at all costs." These statements are also backed up by decrypts from Ultra at Bletchley Park.

3. Munitions storage in the old Dresden Arsenal.

4. Troop reinforcement and transport centre shifting an average 28
troop trains through the marshalling yards every day. Intelligence from Russian and other sources stored in the Public Records office in Kew

5. Communications centre. Most of the telephone lines connecting
High Command to the Eastern front went through Dresden.

6. Quote from The Dresden Chamber of Commerce 1944. "The work rhythm of Dresden is determined by the needs of our army."

There were 127 factories in the Dresden Municipal area. The most
famous of these was Zeiss the celebrated camera and optics maker. In 1945 it was turning out Bomb aiming apparatus and Time fuses. (If you think the Dresden China Works making those lovely shepherdesses are more famous, they are actually made in Meisen 12Km down the River and always have been.)

A factory that previously made Typewriters and sewing machines was making Guns and ammunition

The Waffle and Marzipan machine manufacturer was producing torpedoes for the Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe.

The arts and crafts workshops in the old town were using their woodworking skills to make the tail assemblies for V-1s.

Other factories were turning out such non warlike goods as Searchlights, Aircraft components, Field Telephones and 2 way radios.

Yet another quote, "Anyone who knows Dresden only as a cultural city would be very surprised to be made aware of the extensive and versatile activity that make Dresden ONE OF THE FOREMOST INDUSTRIAL LOCATIONS OF THE REICH. (My Capitals)

Sir Arthur Harris? A Post war exponent of the bombing campaign?
Nope both wrong.
It comes from the Dresden City Council Yearbook of 1942.

The men who carried out these acts did so in the desire to make a world in which their descendants and countrymen, of whom I am one, could live in freedom from persecution and with a freedom to ask questions and form their own opinions. To those of you who feel it necessary to label them war criminals may I ask if you think that you could have asked a similar question under Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan?

Rita

The bombings were necessary to beat Hitler's troops and get him out of power. If US apologized it would seem as if all that was a mistake, which it wasn't - on the contrary it was quite necessary. Although I think the nuclear bombings in Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Japan - was incredibly disproportionate and I'd be ashamed if an apology wasn't made. But in the end, all wars cause big amount of loss and cost the lives of many innocent people. In this sense, if you think about it, all wars deserved apologies. It would be best to avoid them altogether, than doing something regrettable in nature, but that is something we can only dream of.

mir miron

germany killed 60 million people, no one should apologize to the germans for anything.

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