Why are Germans persecuring an American for their own sins?

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veryverified

Is the point here to blame some Slavic (or at least non-German) man, even if he is guilty, so that the German nation appears innocent? Where are the trials of Germans? "Nazi" is what German nationalists called themselves, right? They all have been dealt with? Maybe Jews are starting to not want to believe that the Germans could have done it either.

Mimarspre

I will surely receive a lot of thumbs down, but It must be said: such an ignorant stament can only come from someone who does not have the slightest idea what the topic is about.

"Why are Germans persecuring an American for their own sins"

"He is to serve as the sacrificial lamb whose blood washes away the stain of Germany's sins."

"the only thing that's changed about Germany is who they scapegoat. (neat Nazi trick, voting Amnesty for themselves, while presecuting others they conscripted)"

With those stament you are ignoring the whole background, I do not know if you do it deliberately or just because you do not have a clue about the facts. However there are 2 points absolutely clear for me:

1. You belong to the kind of people who mistakes a healthy nationalism with fanaticism: Your point here is that a american citizen should be judged: thereby you intentionally brush aside the fact that the man was not born as american and there is a big possibility that he lied to get the american citizenship and that he was an european who lived in Europe and during this time he commited crimes on german soil.

2. You do not have the slightes idea how things are in Germany or even the way they work. You are the typical ignorant who believes that Germany is still in time of the third Reich, but of course you have never been to Germany, so anything you have as basis for your statements are the article of a well known fanatic and your own prejudices. For you information in Germany Children are educated with the awarenes of an historical blame, children visit the places of the old camps and listen to people who lived during and survived the third reich. Germany has one of the hardest laws against Holocaust denial, spreading of nazism, racist, or other discriminatory ideas and hate speech worldwide and contrary to other countries with a history of crimes against humanity Germany still paying for it and the prosecution against war criminals 60 years after the end of the war!

Are you claiming that a trial agaist Demjanjuk will erase the whole german history about Hitler and the third Reich and put all the blame for regime's crimes on Demjanjuk? I mean do you really believe that germans are so incredibly stupid to believe that something like that is possible?

You are ignoring a whole history of trials against nazi criminals in Germany, the current german laws against nazis and neonazis among other facts.

Germany has accepted the responsability for the whole thing as it should be and learned from it's history and that is something that can not be said about many countries.

In my opinion your question not only shows your ignorance but it is a clear example of cheap nationalism and deep fanatical ideas: You consider that the man is an american citizen and a trial in Germany is another example for anti Americanism thereby you give a damm about all the evidence related to this case.

To be very honest I can not give credit to an article written by someone who made statemenst as for example:

"women are "simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism" (very misogynist if you ask me)

"I'd like the country I grew up in. It was a good country. I lived in Washington, D.C., â€“ 400,000 black folks, 400,000 white folks, in a country 89 or 90 percent white. I like that country" (ver racist also)

In Germany we have learn the lesson and we know where the road of cheap and fanatical nationalism leads ... and that is something that can not be said about Pat Buchanan and you.

eelliko

You are aware that Demjanjuk is charged with having participated in the murder of 29.000 people?

Demjanjuk has commited crimes on german soil. He was a camp guard in at least 6 KZ, one of them Flossenbuerg, which is in todays germany.However, in oder to simplify the trial, the charge has been reduced to what happened in Sobibor only.

Demjanjuk definitely was a camp guard. his SS ID documents have been retrieved and confirmed to be authentic (in the US).He wasn't conscripted but volunteered to serve in the SS (Demjanjuk never denied that, btw.)

The amnesty you are referring to is from 1968, not 1969, and only covers those who did not kill anyone themselves.
(see here, for example : http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Schwammberger.html)

This amnesty would be valid for Demjanjuk too if he hadn't killed prisoners himself.(criminal law is not bound to what country you are from, but what country you are IN when doing the crime.In other words, if you commit a major crime on german soil, it doesn't matter whether you're german, or slav, or british, or whatever.)

No Pinheads!

He lied to become a citizen. If he had given his background as a Nazi in a consentration camp, he couldn't have become a citizen!

Alwin E

> why not round up some old big-time Nazis

Demjanjuk is alive. Wernher von Braun, J. Robert Oppenheimer, and many others are dead.

There is a warrant against Demjanjuk, not issued by the German government alone, but by many governments.

Now what do you expect me to say as a German who I am? -- Let him rest in peace, I would say. -- But on the other hand, even old men should be brought to justice.

Now YOU judge.

Nantucket

Like eelliko already mentioned the amnesty you are referring to is very limited. In the last twenty other Germans have been persecuted and convicted for Nazi crimes.
Mr. Demjanjuk has committed crimes on German soil and by order of German Nazis. It is a shame that he is asking for pity by comparing his situation with the torture and pain of concentration camp inmates. I always wondered why he was eligible to become a US citizen in the first place!

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