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Can someone tell me about the connection between Ireland, Scotland and the Orange order - constructive anwsers


    



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deburca98
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In the 1600s queen elizabeth the 1st took the lands of the native irish and planted scottish presbyterains, protestants and lutherns on the newly aquired land. The reformation in england prior to elizabeth caused conflict between catholic and protestant. Elizabeth died without an heir and the religion of the throne was unbalanced as a catholic king james came to power. This caused unrest as the aristocracy wanted a protestent monarch. In order to over throw James they enlisted the help of king william of orange. He was a dutch king who was married to ? she was in line to the throne. William succeeded in his defeat of James in england and the battle came to ireland as james had a large following of jacobite catholics who would defend him. william defeated james and his army in july 1691. This is celebrated each year by orangemen


Wulff1e
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Very simply. Scotland has a predominant Protestant religious community and Ireland predominantly Catholic.

Northern Ireland as annexed to become part of the UK had more Protestants than Catholics. Protestants supported William of Orange.. (hence the Orange order) and the Irish and Scots had very close links between themselves and more so the different religious communities which led ultimately to Ranger /Celtic fiasco of one faction supporting one team and the other the rivals for no good reason..

For more info see the Wiki


yougotsmith
heres how and why the orange order was formed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Diamond


gracehillboy
The connection exists of course and I think it has a lot to do with the fact that the part of Ireland where the Orange Order is strongest is also the part closest to Scotland. Indeed the Protestants of Northern Ireland are very proud of what they describe as their 'Ulster-Scots' ancestry. Northern Ireland is full of Campbells, Stewarts, McDonalds, McClures, etc, all good traditional Scottish names! In the 1700s and 1800s there was a great deal of trading, travelling and inter-marrying between Protestant people in Ulster and the west of Scotland so as the Orange tradition grew in Ulster, so it spread to western Scotland. And of course there is a strong Presbyterian tradition in both areas, and the link between Orangeism and the Presbyterian Church is also very strong.
A Northern Ireland author, Billy Kennedy, has I believe written an informative book about the Ulster-Scots tradition and also explored further-flung links, like those between Ulster Protestants and the United States - loads of US Presidents and famous characters like Davy Crockett and Stonewall Jackson came originally from Ulster family roots.


CuriousJ
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After Cromwell came to Ireland he took land from catholic landowners and gave it to protestant settlers from Scotland instead - the so called planters. The Orange Order refers to the protestant supports of William of Orange who defeated the Irish catholic army at the battle of the Boyne. Can't remember the name of the catholic king the army were supporting.



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