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What are the causes of america's defeat in vietnam?


    



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Y2K
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arrogance, drugs, discipline


Traveler
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General Giap states categorically that America won the conflict twice. During the bombing of Hanoi and right after the Tet Offensive. Militarily the Americans were not defeated. But the main cause of the USA withdrawl was political in nature.

Giap was amazed.. They were ready to surrender twice and could find no one to surrender to.

General in the North Vietnamese Army - General Vo Nguyen Giap.
General Giap was a brilliant, highly respected leader of the North Vietnam military. The following quote is from his memoirs currently found in the Vietnam war memorial in Hanoi:
"What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice your media was definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!"
General Giap has published his memoirs and confirmed what most Americans knew. The Vietnam war was not lost in Vietnam -- it was lost at home. The exact same slippery slope, sponsored by the US media, is currently well underway. It exposes the enormous power of a biased media to cut out the heart and will of the American public.
A truism worthy of note: Do not fear the enemy, for they can take only your life. Fear the media far more, for they will destroy your honor.

Typical... The americans give everything away and Don't pay attention. One channel thinking.


Tom J
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We weren't defeated.


Charlie
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America were not defeated , public opinion finally stopped the war that should never have been .


Oz M
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Only the south Vietnamese army was defeated, which was when the NVA captured the Independence Palace (the southern government house), now known as the Reunification Hall. That marked the end of the war.
US, Australia, New Zealand and the other military allies to the south had left by their own free will long before that.

US and the other allies merely left that theater of war..... they were not defeated.


I can only speak of the Australian victories in that war to say that Australian forces won every battle they engaged in.

Your question could be correctly asked "Why did the South lose the war?", to which the answer is that the South lost strength with the withdrawal of it's allies, leaving them to face a Soviet backed stronger force.


hikaru
America defeated Vietnam? Did you get any mistake? Hey friend, I don't think so. War is over,don't start it again. Is it important to know who defeated who? Please don't make our next generations live in war.


daney b
we never defeat them.


RaffiTheMaster
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I know it came a long way. But there were many causes when America defeated Vietnam.


George E
the americans did lose the war,they were out witted,,,outclassed,,by real fighters,,they pulled out because
they were loseing to many men to the war......... why do you yanks think you won the war in vietnam ???? the vietnamese did not surrender,,even though you bombed the ,hit out of hit,,man to man combat they whipped your ***,,you ran away because you were loseing men in hand to hand combat ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,live with it you yanks you lost,,,,,,> America's Wars > Vietnam >
34. Memorandum From the President's Assistant for National Security Affairs (Kissinger) to President Nixon1

Washington, March 8,1969.

SUBJECT

Reflections on De-escalation

It has become obvious that once private talks start, de-escalation will be high on the agenda. Zorin referred to a "promise" made by

Harriman which I believe to be true. Hanoi has been putting it out in newspapers-see, for example, Joe Kraft's column?

The question then becomes: what is being de-escalated? What will be the impact?

De-escalation can come about in one of two ways: tacit or formal; that is to say, it can occur de facto or by agreement. However it might take place, it would bring about a major change in the situation and thus requires careful assessment.

De-escalation must be seen in the light of our overall strategy. The component of the Communist forces which gave the war its distin-guishing characteristic has been the guerrilla forces. These have en-abled Hanoi and the VC to prevent the consolidation of governmental authority, to move large forces unobserved and to create a general cli-mate of insecurity.

When American forces appeared in the war, they were used mainly to fight North Vietnamese main force units. I have always considered this to be a strategic error, though the choice was not entirely up to us. Hanoi was determined to use its forces the way a bullfighter uses his cape: to keep us lunging in strategically unproductive areas and to pre-vent us from grinding down the guerrilla forces.

In recent months, many main force units have been withdrawn into Cambodia, Laos and North Vietnam-either because they were forced or because they wish to preserve these forces for the post-war period. This has enabled us to devote-for the first time in the war-substantial forces to anti-guerrilla action. If we now de-escalate, Hanoi will get for nothing what it has had to pay heavy, perhaps excessive casualties to obtain: the effective neutralization of U.S. forces with re-spect to the Communist infrastructure.

Our military effort leaves a great deal to be desired, but it remains one of our few bargaining weapons.

The impact of de-escalation on the two sides would be highly asymmetrical. The guerrillas operate by terror or assassination; our side requires massive military effort. The opponent can achieve a major im-pact by occasional actions well below the threshold of violation; no cor-responding actions are available to us.

You will be told that we can always start military operations again.

In fact, the recent Communist offensive has shown that obtaining clear criteria as to what constitutes a violation is very complicated. Every difficulty we have had in deciding whether the bombing halt "understanding" had been violated will be compounded in the case of de-escalation. How is one to construe the murder, kidnapping or in-timidation of selected South Vietnamese officials? Will we even know who did it?

Violation criteria would probably be assessed in terms of major military operations of the type U.S. and Allied forces are now con-ducting in South Vietnam. These operations have been designed to pro-vide a military shield for the GVN which enables them, with our as-sistance, to progress in the pacification area through the establishment of law and order and security for the populace. Conversely, it appears that the enemy has concluded that major military confrontations are no longer to their advantage. Their best hope for success rests with in-creased emphasis on terror and assassination, while preserving their main force elements as a psychological threat and for direct action af-ter U.s. withdrawal. Thus, de-escalation would amount to a self-imposed defusing of our most important asset and the simultaneous enhancement of this most important asset-terrorism. We would, in effect, be tying the hands of our forces in Vietnam.

The related problems associated with maintaining a force level of 500,000-plus combat troops lacking an active combat mission could also prove troublesome. Unquestionably, pressures would build to bring our troops home. It would be very difficult to counter these demands if the level of military activity in Vietnam did not require their pres-ence. An additional problem area would be the constructive employ-ment of our forces in Vietnam during a period when military activity had dropped off substantially or completely. A rash of incidents with the South Vietnamese populations might occur which paralleled our experiences in Europe after World War II when an unbusy occupation Army soon found itself in uneasy economic and social competition with the populace with whom they were stationed.

All this suggests that we should not agree to de-escalate now-all the more so if you plan to withdraw some forces in a few months. Such a measure will be politically meaningful only if it is taken as the result of a choice-not as the inevitable corollary of under-utilized forces.

All this, of course, must be considered as part of an overall "game-plan" on which I am now working





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